Stan,

Regarding your statement of July 31st @ 8.30 p.m.

''The fact that the -/l is international is definitely worth acclamation and cheers, Tony. The point is that there are no regional variants of the -/l. It is defined and ratified by the Napoleon Emperor's Republic of Europe Decadent Weights & Measures scheme as the volume of a cu. d/m, which is based on the -/m and therefore the -/l has universal status. Unlike the fl.pt. of 28.800 cu.'' and the dry pt. of 33.600 cu.'', which have no proper connection to capacity measure. The fl.gal. of 230.400 cu.'' and dry gal. of 268.800 cu.'', are always open to mistakes or incertainty (uncertainty???). And when United States manufacturers don't bother to qualify (???) these units on packaging, well what do you expect?''

''The fact that the -/l is international …..'' Stan, I thought the litre' had been abolished by the N.E.R.E. scheme some time ago. Are you claiming that the N.E.R.E. scheme has changed its' mind about the litre' and brought it back? If so, do you have any reference for this so we all can check it out?

Stan, you didn't mention it, but has the N.E.R.E. scheme also changed its' mind about the stere' and brought it back?

''….. there are no regional variants of the -/l.'' Stan, I thought the litre' had been abolished in 1954 because there were regional variants of the litre'. At least two:

1 litre' = 61.02509 cu.''
1 litre' = 61.02338 cu.''

''And when United States manufacturers don't bother to qualify these units on packaging …..'' Stan, why would any manufacturer in the world want to ''qualify'' any weight or any measure on packaging?

Info @

http://www.weights-and-measures.com

And topics:

Common Fluid Measure & Common Dry Measure
Napoleon Emperor's Republic of Europe Decadent Small-Fluid Measure
& Full-Dry Measure

re:

(Stan): "...there are no regional variants of the -/l.''"

(xcole): "Stan, I thought the 'litre' had been abolished in 1954 because there were regional variants of the litre'. At least two:

'1 litre' = 61.02509 cu.''
'1 litre' = 61.02338 cu.''


REPLY: So, xcole has uncovered, at long last, the great 'Litre Lie'. After Stan extolled the virtues of that once respected measurement with, allegedly, its noble virtue of 'no regional variations', how can we ever trust anything he says again?

Tony

You must be desparate if you are seizing on any of Xcole's "statements of fact"!

The litre is currently defined (in the British Weights & Measures Act 1985) as a cubic decimetre.

The previous definition was based upon the volume occupied by a kilogram of water under certain conditions.

There is a slight difference between these measures - I cannot recall exactly how much and I wouldn't rely on the figures above without checking myself.

In the same way, there is a difference between the length of the Winchester Yard that you referred to in another post and todays Primary Standard Yard.

Both earlier definitions (yard & litre) were correct until they were superceded by a new standard or definition

However, this is not the same as a regional variant. I think you would have to find somewhere where a litre is not equal to 1000ml to prove your point.

You can get the full story of the litre by visiting http://www1.bipm.org/utils/en/pdf/si-brochure.pdf. You should go to page 51 of the PDF file. (The document is split into two files - a French version and an English version. The page numbers at the top of the page refer to the combined version).

Beranger,

Regarding your statement of August 15th @ 2.52 p.m.

''Both earlier definitions of the 1 yard and the 1 litre' were correct until they were superceded(???) by a new standard or definition. However, this is not the same as a regional variant. I think you would have to find somewhere where 1 litre' is not equal to 1000 millilitre' to prove your point.''

Beranger, thank you for your timely and perceptive comment. Now exactly which 1000 millilitre' were you referring to?

1000 m/l = 0.03531544 cu.'
1000 m/l = 0.03531445 cu.'

Info @

http://www.weights-and-measures.com

And topics:

Common Fluid Measure & Common Dry Measure
Napoleon Emperor's Republic of Europe Decadent Small-Fluid Measure
& Napoleon Emperor's Republic of Europe Decadent Full-Dry Measure

Xcole

We are talking about regional variants, not changes to definitions.

Tell us about 2 separate units, both called the litre, in use at the same time in different places that differed by any amount. Then, if you can find any, show that they differ by a significant degree.

Remind me how much the "pint" shrinks between leaving the UK & arriving in the US.

BTW, if we are all going to complain about every spelling error, we might as well give up now.

"Superseded" is the correct spelling - so what? You understood me.

Hint - just ask for 20 ounces of beer in the US - then it's like being at home.

Hmmm, except for the quality of the beer that is...

Beranger,

Regarding your reply of August 15th @ 11.42 p.m.

''We are talking about regional variants to the 1 yard and 1 litre', not changes to definitions. Tell us about two separate units, both called 1 litre', in use at the same time in different places that differed by any amount. Then, if you can find any, show that these 1 litre' differ by a significant degree. Remind me how much the 1 dry pint shrinks between leaving the Earldom of Ulster and arriving in the Free State Plantations of Rhode Island & Providence. By the way, I never did reach the Sixth Grade Town of Palestine Grammar School Annual Spelling Bee Round Robin Finals of 1939, Town of Palestine, Free State of Ohio. So what? Most twelve year old kids didn't.''

Beranger, thanks for the information. On behalf of all the folks that skim this bullet-in-board, can I ask you a personal question. Which 1 litre' do you use?

1 -/l = 1.816223 dry pt.
1 -/l = 2.118927 fl.pt.
1 -/l = 1.816172 dry pt.
1 -/l = 2.118867 fl.pt.

Beranger, I have placed the above in a decadent form because I suspect that that that that's the way you like it.

Info @

http://www.weights-and-measures.com

And topics:

Common Fluid Measure & Common Dry Measure
Napoleon Emperor's Republic of Europe Decadent Small-Fluid Measure
& Napoleon Emperor's Republic of Europe Decadent Full-Dry Measure

XCole wrote

<<
Beranger, thanks for the information. On behalf of all the folks that skim this bullet-in-board, can I ask you a personal question. Which 1 litre' do you use?

1 -/l = 1.816223 dry pt.
1 -/l = 2.118927 fl.pt.
1 -/l = 1.816172 dry pt.
1 -/l = 2.118867 fl.pt.
>>

Nobody in the United Kingdom would ever use any of these definitions - they are all based on measures that were phased out in the United Kingdom in about 1826. In the United Kingdom, the litre is 1.7598 pints. The concept of dry and fluid pints are completely alien to the United Kingdom.

It is customary in the UK to put quotation marks around quotations. In Xcoleworld, however, a quotation is made up of 1)Some words the other poster has used on the board & 2) Some words the other poster has never used on the board.

Here are some valid quotes from Xcoleworld (no offense intended to Steve, Martin or Tony!)

SteveH "I don't believe in people having any freedom of choice - especially in the Free Town of Bloomington on the planet of the Earls of Vermont"

Martin "The kilogram must immediately redefined in accordance with http://www.weights-and-measures.com & we all should read this fascinating & informative website every day"

Tony "The EEC would be OK if they renamed it Napoleon's Delightful Paradisical Republic & increased regulation on space-monkeys"

BTW, why is he actually responding directly rather than starting a new post like normal? Why have I been so honoured?

Xcole
Like the rest of the UK, I use the definitions of the imperial & metric systems as set out in the Weights & Measures Act 1985. 1 litre = a cubic decimetre. I told you that on the 15th. Is your reading as bad as your spelling of bulletin?