Erm.

Where has my St David's Day post gone?

BWMA aren't anti-Welsh are they? ;-)

To Bud - I think the rest answered your question - St David *IS* the patron St of Wales.

Oh, and St Patrick was Welsh too. he had a way with snakes.

Steve

I suspect that it may have been deleted because it contained some nasty little quotes like "I am English, ergo I am superior" (this is from memory, so may not be an exact quotation)

Perhaps one of our younger posters asked for it to be removed to save his blushes.

Oh, THAT is what you are referring to. One, you TOTALLY misread what I said. Let me just run it by you again, because you have totally misunderstood what I was saying (possibly not your fault).

The context was "flag-waving". Andy said that English people celebrated their culture more- like on St. George's day; maybe we would attach less nationalistic pride and sympathy to things such as "British" weights and measures. I at first, before he spelled this out, thought he meant the English do not need to openly celebrate their Englishness because they are self-assured. I agreed with this point. When I realised he did not mean this I said I did not agree with him really. My contention was that English people generally view public celebrations of nationalism- Australia day etc- as rather cringeworthy. My view is that this is because the English are confident on a kind of very deep level that we are superior. As I said in that post, this is not a conscious thing really, and thus kind of runs deeper than arrogance. English people just know they are superior, therefore they do not need to celebrate it.

Yes, I did say "I am English, therefore I am superior"... WITHIN THIS RATHER SIGNIFICANT CONTEXT. I was phrasing myself, rather obviously, in a way that effectively paraphrases the English mindset. I was not saying that objectively the English ARE superior. Nor was I stating my own world view.



It is unfortunate in the utmost that you should have misinterpreted what I felt I expressed rather adequately. It is equally unfortunate that I apparently cannot revisit those posts to see if I was clear on the point or not. To my memory, fallible as that is, I was quite clear that I was not trying to state objective truths or voice those things as my own world view. Given the context was how English people (therefore by definition, generally) think, and I outlined that fact, I thought my statement which you have just quoted would obviously be taken the way I intended for it to be, and not some deviant version which you have taken.


TWO, I did not ask BWMA to remove that thread. I have no problem standing by the things I say. And if wrong, I will climb-down. But there really is nothing for me to be sorry of or ashamed about. I stated my views on the general mindset of the English. I even stated, or implied, that those are not logical or coherent beliefs, just a sub-conscious knowledge. By the way, 'knowledge' does not imply that what is 'known' is true. :) People have at various times in history known all sorts of knowledge.

Bry

Obviously, I don't know what prompted BWMA to remove the post. My only previous memory of BWMA deleting posts was one from "anonymous" which had some nasty racist stuff in it (something about an ex German leader)

I accept that you have no views of that sort, but that thread was open to the interpretation that I read into it. (Not just your posts, but these of others too)

Shall we leave it at that?

I don't recall any posts about German leaders. I most certainly did not post those things. I mean, anon. as well- what?? I always post my name when I accidentally anonymously post; I don't really do anon. posts anyway.

I hereby distance myself from whatever those posts were (I can guess from what you said above)

P.S. Yes, let us let it die because it is obviously a misunderstanding as far as you and me are concerned. Also, the thread cannot be evaluated because, evidently, it is gone.

Bry

I was not implying that you did the anon post!!!!! I sincerely apologise if you thought I was.

It was nothing like your usual style, and BWMA reacted very quickly to remove it. Probably very few people read it. I was only referring to BWMA's policy of deleting "dodgy" posts (which I applaud)

Hmmm, I never saw said post.

But with German connotations, and remembering who posts here claiming the might of the German people (through their economy on this occasion) I can sort of guess who it might be!

Personally, that sort of stuff shoudl not be deleted because:-

1) I don't believe in censorship and
2) It shows them up, quite explicitly, for what they are.


Right. I'm off to a National Front rally now.

+++++ JOKING!!!!!! +++++

Steve

To be fair, I think it was a one-off visitor, not a regular poster. It certainally didn't read like anyone who posts on a regular basis.

Ron Atkinson phoned btw. He complained that you didn't pick him up as arranged????

<<<<<<definitely joking>>>>>>!!!!!!

<<To be fair, I think it was a one-off visitor>>

I'm intrigued though!

Could you email me the details as you recall them?

My guess is that it was either a neo-nazi proper, or someone who thinks that people who support imperial measures must be nazi-like and be fond of Hitler.

Both bizzare and strange, only one dangerious.