Please feel the warm humour (or staunch rage, depending on what side you are on) from these pages that show that Australia is entirely metric, especially the kids on their surfboards:

http://www.surfresearch.com.au/00000032.html
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/06/29/1023864668830.html
http://www.lag.com.au/questions/learn95.htm
http://www.lionsclubs.asn.au/shop/category8_2.htm
http://www.stretchnow.com.au/products/fitball.htm
http://www.integrativemedicine.com.au/products.htm
http://users.chariot.net.au/~luvboat/p10.htm
http://www.billril.pac.com.au/ingrid/ingrid_4.pdf
http://hmcs.scu.edu.au/crisis/1997/thecliffwasonlysix.html
http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s756264.htm
http://www.racq.com.au/03_car/reviews_new/FCT_Mitsubishi_Ralliart_Magna_02.htm
http://www.talljeans.com.au/about.htm
http://www.roaringforties.com.au/gt40replicas.htm

Using the same argument, the US is metric. See for example http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html

Understandably you've missed the point.
Many metriphiles glibly say things like "Australia has gone fully metric, no-one in australia knows what a foot is, a mile, yard, whatever - they simply "cutover" and now only old people remember those measurements"
Thus I thought I should post some random websites proving them absolutely right!!!

Aparently baby's weights are announced to the parents only in lb/oz "so they can tell their grandparents"!

Neighbours has other things to say on the matter.

Steveh, your links don't tell us anything new.

Maybe you could prove that continental Europe is absolutely not metric too, since trousers and monitors are sold in inches over there...

Congrats on totally missing the point!

"Maybe you could prove that continental Europe is absolutely not metric too"

When did I say "absolutely"?

That was my ENTIRE point!

Oz is not "absolutely" metric (like some would beleive)
The UK is not "absolutely" imperial !
Heck even the US is not "absolutely" 'English' !

The world is *NOT* as standardised block of grey human mass, regardless to your wish that is should be!

Why is it so quiet in this room?

Becaue there's a nine foot square top quality Wilton carpet on its floor

Fair enough, but it doesn't account for the lack of people in here.

But thanks for popping by, Mr Bennet, it was getting quite lonely in here since someone left a few "uncomfortable" websites in here!

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Becaue there's a nine foot square top quality Wilton carpet on its floor
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Hiss, spit .... (I have relations who live in Axminster)


:-)

Oh goody , now there are two more people in this room!

Er, I might have been mistaken - if I'm not upsetting anyone who lives in Wilton, it just *may* have been an Axminster.

By the way, in the same room, there's a 4' 6" small double bed, a few 12" x 8" portraits on the wall, a wardrobe with some size 42" jackets and 16" collar size shirts in, and at the end of the bed is a 3ft x 1ft 6" Persian rug (sorry Wilton, sorry Axminster).

In the next room, people are tucking into a choice beweeen a 12" pizza or an 8oz. steak and there's three pounds of fruit in the fruit bowl for afters. The eaters are on a diet, trying to lose a few pounds. One of them weighs over 15 stone.

Another travelled 100 miles today and is over 6 feet tall. Still another went fishing and caught a 4lb. bass in the 8-foot deep canal which is just a few hundred yards away. The lady of the house has just got back some 7" x 5" enlargements from her film company and is showing them to her family. She recently had a baby weighing just under 7lb. A teenager (who recently mysteriously fell from an 8-foot high wall and fractured his ulna bone) is in a nearby room and is watching a video of Eminem's film 'Eight Miles' on his 23" television, while drinking half a pint of bitter. He's always calling in at MacDonalds where he usually orders a 'quarterpounder'.

On the news, they heard that because of the Iraq crisis, petrol's gone up to over £4 a gallon.

In the Champions League, Beckham helped Manchester United to victory against Barcelona with a last-minute free kick from over 30 yards. Earlier in the game, Scholes had been sent off for a 'professional foul' in the six-yard box. In golf, Nick Faldo sank a 10-foot putt at the 5-par 450-yard seventeenth to beat Olazabel 2 and 1, while in horse racing, the strongly-fancied 100-30 odds-on favourite 'Imperial Flier' won by a furlong over 'Metric Mayhem'. In snooker, Stephen Lee has inched ahead of Stephen Hendry by 7 frames to 6 in the 17-frame final. In the cricket final, a 95mph delivery from Anderson clean bowled Thorpe and the match ended when a leg-break from Snape [O.K., I know he's an off-break bowler but he must have the leg break as well] spun two feet in the rough to knock out Trollope's leg stump.

The man of the house keeps bees in his 3-acre orchard and sells 1lb. jars of honey. Last week he was flashed by a camera on the North Circular Road for doing 49mph in a 40mph zone. He thought the speed limit was 50mph. He also had a slow puncture with tyre pressure down to 18 lbs./sq. inch instead of the usual 30lb./sq. inch.

The outside temperature's in the nineties, the wind speed is about 15mph, and visibility is about 10 miles...

In the 90's?

Where on earth are you?


BTW - LBC news today - a gallon has risen to over 3.50 already

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In the 90's?

Where on earth are you?
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... that is nearly boiling point!



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BTW - LBC news today - a gallon has risen to over 3.50 already
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$3.50 a gallon - using the conversion of 3.7 litres per gallon and £1 = $1.45, that gives 65p/litre. Quick, tell me where I can fill up!

Have you been at the pop again, martin?

Well, the Imperial gallon has no legal standing anywhere in the world, so I thought that you were refering to the US gallon. Since the US gallon is legal in the US, it seemed logical that the currency you were using was USD.

Oh heck

So the mpg bit on every car ad is using u.s. gallons?

DUUUUUH!

(cue something about litres in brackets being used in car ads as well...)

My asda shows the gallon price - are they outlaws?

Martin - do you actually *LIVE* in the UK?

And answer my "pop" question will you? It's getting more and more relevent!

Re: "The Imperial gallon has no legal standing anywhere in the world"

1. There is a Department for Trade regulation - and has been for a long time - that new cars for sale must show how many miles per gallon a car does on three separate independently-conducted road tests, from memory 'urban', 56mph and 70mph. They are regulations laid down by Parliament and therefore have legal standing

2. There is still another regulation that requires petrol stations to show on their pumps the equivalent price per gallon of the petrol they are selling. This may be done by a chart. Most of the charts in use today were affixed to the pumps years ago and usually only run up to the equivalent of 75p./litre. With petrol now close to 80p./litre for ordinary unleaded and more for 4-star, most of these don't comply with the regulations. It may be that ARM will soon play a role in ensuring that these regulations are strictly complied with


[When petrol reaches 88p. a litre, as it probably will when World War III is started shortly, that'll be £4 a gallon. If your car does 30 miles to the gallon, it'll cost 13.3p a mile in petrol alone. But at 50p./pint, it's still cheaper than Stella Artois or French Vin de Table]

Who can solve this latest mystery on the BWMA message board?

Or is it the disappearing left-hand margin?

Once again I appeared to have swung to the right!

BTW: Note Martin's silence!

Whenever I get it wrong I'll say something like "Fair enough" or jokily admit it and laugh it off with a "witty" comment .

Otherwise you end up looking like Martin does now, in the same "argument room" but sitting in the corner sniffing slightly and pretending not to cry - in total silence!

Testing Testing 1-2-3

I have repleid to the first posting, not the last. I notice that every time the message title changes, the text shift to the right.

My login was disabled for some time. However, I am back

1. Gallons are not outlawed, they may be used as asupplementary measure until the year 2009, provided that the principal measure is given in litres.

2. I believe that the Dept. of Transport are in breach of the EU DIrective 80/181/EEC by issuing fuel consumption figures in mpg (unless they issue them in litre/100km and use mpg as a supplementary measure).

Re: Point (2)

Tough!

(but thanks for "sort of" admitting you were wrong)

Tony Bennett wrote
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There is a Department for Trade regulation - and has been for a long time - that new cars for sale must show how many miles per gallon a car does on three separate independently-conducted road tests, from memory 'urban', 56mph and 70mph. They are regulations laid down by Parliament and therefore have legal standing
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Below is an extract from Statutory Instrument 2001:3523 - the secondary legislation that controls this operation
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The fuel type, numerical value of the official fuel consumption and official specific emissions of CO2 shall be presented for each model shown in the guide. Fuel consumption shall be expressed either in litres per 100 kilometres (1/100km) or kilometres per litre (km/l), and quoted to one decimal place, or, to the extent compatible with the provisions of Council Directive 80/181/EEC[11] in miles per gallon. Official specific emissions of CO2 shall be expressed in grams per kilometre (g/km) to the nearest whole number
>>


If this is read in conjunction with EC/80/181/EEC (visit www.metric.org.uk for a link), is quite clear from this extract that metric figures are mandatory and the Imperial figures optional.

>>> Gallons are not outlawed, they may be used as asupplementary measure until the year 2009, provided that the principal measure is given in litres.

Martin,
You are incorrect; gallons most certainly are outlawed (subject to the Appeal).

The use of "supplementary indications" is immaterial; they are not part of the regulated transaction.

... in which case Tony is certainly wrong about the requirement to quote fuel consumption in mpg.

Martin said: "The Imperial gallon has no legal standing anywhere in the world".

Despite the information provided which tends to suggest that giving information in gallons is permitted rather than required (and I am prepared to accept I may have been mistaken about this), nevertheless the point I have successfully made is that the Imperial gallon most certainly still *does have legal standing in the U.K.* - in at least two regulations.

Perhaps rather more important is that 99% of drivers will still swap information with each other about fuel consumption in mpg.

And yesterday's 'Daily Mail' front-page headline was: "Gallon of Petrol to Rise by 10p". It then went on to explain how average unleaded pump prices would rise from £3.53 per gallon to £3.63 per gallon.

Where petrol is concerned, the people refer to gallons, while the bureaucrats have tried for three decades to insist on litres

"Martin, you are incorrect; gallons most certainly are outlawed (subject to the Appeal).

The use of "supplementary indications" is immaterial; they are not part of the regulated transaction."

In accordance with Article 3 of Directive 80/181/EEC as amended, gallons can be used at filling stations as supplementary indications until 31 December 2009.

"Perhaps rather more important is that 99% of drivers will still swap information with each other about fuel consumption in mpg."

True, even Alex Sibley does so.

"And yesterday's 'Daily Mail' front-page headline was: "Gallon of Petrol to Rise by 10p". It then went on to explain how average unleaded pump prices would rise from £3.53 per gallon to £3.63 per gallon."

The press do this to sensationalise as these values sound much bigger than those per litre. And quite honestly, what better can we expect from the Daily Mail?

The 'Daily Mail' almost invariably uses Imperial weights and measures in its news reporting, except on the rare occasions when people actually use metric units in everyday speech, when it quotes accurately what they have said. The reason the 'Mail' does so is that it respects the wish of the vast majority of British people to be given information about dimensions, weights and distances in Imperial units - as all recent independent surveys have shown.

After all, the job of media is to communicate. Giving people the details of measurements and weights in Imperial only is simply the best method by far of communicating to the overwhelming majority of the British public.

It is relevant here to note that the 'Mail' also informs its readers about certain subjects which other papers seem afraid to examine, includng the flipside of large-scale multicultural immigration, and issues like political correctness, free speech, the loss of power to Europe and the Cherie Blair/Peter Foster affair (first exposed by the 'Mail' when no other paper would run the story) etc.

Its circulation has climbed steadily over recent years to around 2.2 million, at a time when the vast majority of other papers are selling the same or fewer papers - sometimes a lot fewer (the 'Express', once ahead of the 'Mail', is now down to around 700,000)

"the Cherie Blair/Peter Foster affair (first exposed by the 'Mail' when no other paper would run the story)"

What a boring and pointless story that was.

>>> In accordance with Article 3 of Directive 80/181/EEC as amended, gallons can be used at filling stations as supplementary indications until 31 December 2009.

Ross, you have not analysed this. Gallons CANNOT be "used" (ie for trade) under EC directive 80/181. BWMA says that the UK government has not implemented this and that gallons can be used (the Divisional Court does not agree, hence the appeal to the final Court of Appeal in Europe).

The supplementary indications are irrelevant; they are not part of the transaction in law.

"Ross, you have not analysed this. Gallons CANNOT be "used" (ie for trade) under EC directive 80/181. BWMA says that the UK government has not implemented this and that gallons can be used (the Divisional Court does not agree, hence the appeal to the final Court of Appeal in Europe).

The supplementary indications are irrelevant; they are not part of the transaction in law."

If we assume that the implementation is sound, then gallons cannot be used as the primary indication for trade, but information about them can be displayed until that date. That is the only point I was making.

Ross: "Cherie Blair/Peter Foster story was boring and pointless..."

Well, it included:

* The Prime Minister's wife systematically lying to the press

* Paid civil servants lying to us on our behalf

* The Prime Minister's wife contacting the dead via Carol Caplin's mother

* The Prime Minister's wife consulting an 86-year-old dowser who operates from a concrete shed in Surrey and uses replica Neolithic stone cirlces in his work

* The Prime Minister's wife paying Carole Caplin £48,000 a year for being a 'lifestyle guru'

* The Prime Minister claiming he had no idea that a convicted fraudster was buying two flats for his son

* The Prime Minister's wife arranging the conman's rapid extradition from the U.K.

* An Oscar-winning, tear-jerking performance from the Prime Minister's wife

* Interetsing goings-on the Blairs' showers...

* And much more.

Only last week we had news of Tony Blair's regular late-night taped 'phone calls to Carole Caplin.

Boring for some, perhaps, but it did run for 13 days on the front pages and headlines, longer than any story has done for a decade or so

It also turned into a rather successful "docu-soap" on the BBC.

BBC being anti Blair?

Whatever next!

>>> "...gallons cannot be used as the primary indication for trade..."

Ross,
Not quite; under the 1994 regulations, gallons cannot be used as ANY indication for trade. Only the litre is authorised.

People can give a conversion to any other system, if they want. That's a private matter for the buyer and seller.

"Not quite; under the 1994 regulations, gallons cannot be used as ANY indication for trade. Only the litre is authorised.

People can give a conversion to any other system, if they want. That's a private matter for the buyer and seller."

Under the 1985 Act as amended, gallons are not permitted to be used for any transaction, but may be allowed as supplementary indications (as may any other unit) until 31 December 2009. A relevant set of regulations in 1995 as amended in 2001 provide that:

"(4) Any indication on measuring equipment referring in metric units of measurement to the quantity of liquid fuel supplied may be accompanied by a supplementary indication up to and including 31st December 2009."

This amendment arises from Article 3 of the Directive. True that it is not phrased in the conventional prohibitive language that is a feature of UK law, and this seems to be an omission.

Will the goverments install microphones everywhere in 2009 so its easier to "pounce"

(Ross rubs hands in glee...)

>>> Under the 1985 Act as amended, gallons are not permitted to be used for any transaction, but may be allowed as supplementary indications...until 31 December 2009...

And then what happens? Is the EC/UK governments seriously suggesting that people may not express quantity and dimensions in terms other than metric units? Not even as privately offered conversions, or equivalents offered for informational purposes, outside the regulated sale? Not even if they whisper it, or write it in tiny print? Apparently so!

"Will the goverments install microphones everywhere in 2009 so its easier to "pounce"?"

Sounds reasonable!

"And then what happens? Is the EC/UK governments seriously suggesting that people may not express quantity and dimensions in terms other than metric units? Not even as privately offered conversions, or equivalents offered for informational purposes, outside the regulated sale? Not even if they whisper it, or write it in tiny print? Apparently so!"

The regulations on supplementary indications refer to commercial representations, so people can have whatever conversations they wish as this is clearly freedom of speech. But unsolicited prices and quantities for commercial purposes should be denoted in single legal units of measurement.

It's instructive to pause from time to time to examine what a state allows and what it bans

Ross - I can see where you are coming from - ie. very nasty.

Your response to me is too close to Nazism for me to be comfortable. So, moving on.....

Doesn't anyone think it bizzare that, for instance, in a shop that is accessed by adults only you could put:

"Also available in f*cking yellow"

but not

"2.5 lb"

Is this country nuts?
Only the second quote will be a "criminal offence"

What we need is a revolution!

To shift the text back to the left, click on "respond to this message" under the very first post.

Rip,


Review this post on Australia and tell us how up to date it is and how it reflects life in Australia from your perspective.

Do you surf? If not, you should so you can say "feet" every now and then. It would be terrible if your use of imperial would get rusty from non-use.

Can't you ask one of your Australian friends?

Or don't you have any Australian friends?

Or...

[no, i won't go there]

Because imperial was used in the 1950s and 60s when surfing was developing into a professional sport, some board makers would still use it because "that's the way it's always been". That's the sort of answer you would get from a lot of them. The other thing too is that the surfboards seen on that website go back to the 1980s and earlier when a lot of the makers from the 1960s and 70s would have still been in business. And they would have used imperial no matter what the law said.

Some surfboard makers, particularly the bigger ones, must be giving their specs in metric by now because it's been so long after metric conversion, but the smaller, older ones that are still around quite probably wouldn't. Not until the next generation of metric-schooled surfers and board makers start designing and making the next generation of surfboards will they start approaching the full use of metric in the industry. Just in time for the rise in sea level from global warming.

Not that it will matter to me much. I haven't been on a surfboard in over 30 years. I was never a devotee of boardriding. I preferred to body surf, and boardriders made it difficult to body surf at a lot of beaches. You ran the risk of being "fin chopped" by a boardrider if he invaded your space. That is the boardrider would ride the same wave you were on and ride over the top of you, and the board's fin would cut into your back or neck, and in some cases sever the spinal column or break the body surfer's neck if the wave was big and powerful enough. Resulting in paraplegia, quadriplegia, or death. It also happens when two or more boardriders are riding the same wave and one comes off in front of the other. I haven't heard of a case of someone being fin chopped in years, but it must still happen somewhere. We have over 20,000km of coastline--that's a lot of beaches.

So the upshoot is - boarding is still imperial (I guess like boat lengths).

That's a horrible story regarding "chopping" btw - quite gruesome. I never thought of that before.

No, the upshot is not boarding is still imperial. Read what I wrote: some older and smaller boardmaking businesses MAY still use imperial; the bigger boardmaking companies are metric.

So, the TREND is that imperial is fading out quickly. Would that be a correct assumption?

Depends - none of us are boarders here. So we have the luxury of pretending to know how that fraternity speaks.

Pretty stupid really.

A bit like talking about vinyl records whilst not having a clue.

Lets talk about guns - I assume none of us here have a gun hobby so I'll start:-

All guns are two foot long exactly.

That is why I'm asking an actual resident of Australia and not you about the trend. I may not be able to visit there, but I'd expect a citizen to know.


Does that comment also apply to a Uzi 9 mm or a Baretta 10 mm? Metric bullet sizes are more often heard now a days then inch sizes. Metric bullets are usually associated with state of the art very powerful weapons whereas inch caliper would be thought of as the opposite.

There was some chatter in the news a few years back about police having 357's and not being a match with the criminals having 9 and 10 mm weapons. Now the police have 9 and 10 mm too.

Fire power can be labeled either way but the trend is that metric descriptions are replacing the inch stuff even in the common speech.

You really fall into every trap I lay (there's a big clue to another post btw).

<<That is why I'm asking an actual resident of Australia and not you about the trend>>

LOL! So all Australians go surfing do they "coz that's what it looks like on the TV"


ROTFL

Perhaps you should ask me about bowler hats?

Or maybe there's a resident Spanish person that can tell us the exact length of those pointy things that get used in Bull fighting.

Or perhaps a French poster can describe the most efficient way to surrender one's country?

Stench: "Depends - none of us are boarders here. So we have the luxury of pretending to know how that fraternity speaks."

Perhaps not a surfrider, but I did know a lot of them when I was younger and I certainly don't have to pretend to know how they spoke. I have no doubt that a lot of them would still use feet and inches for the specs for their boards and for the size of the surf, "I'm really stoked it's 6-foot surf today man". So what! Who really cares what such a fractionally small, narrow, enclosed, and self-centred group speaks? Do a few surfers using a few imperial units make Australia any less metric. No. It's simply more pathetic straw-clutching by proponents of imperial. Australia is a metric country no matter what units some or all surfers use among themselves. And in Australia in the 1970s and possibly later, surfers had a reputation for being as thick as two planks. Even if you weren't dumb, you had to act dumb and dismissively casual about everything to be accepted as a surfer by other surfers. In the 80s and 90s I believe they tried to improve their image and set a better example as a lot of Australian surfers were representing the country in international competition. And believe me they needed to.

Rip, mate,

You're not seeing the whole picture. Follow the logic:

Surfers use imperial. Australians surf. Therefore Australians use imperial.

See how easy that was! Everything else is an illusion. Only Australians using imperial is real.


What I want to know is how you all do it! How do you pull up to a gasoline pump and see the price per litre and know the price per gallon? How do you drive down the road with a metric only dash and know what you are doing in miles and miles per hour? How do you hear only metric weather broadcasts and know exactly what the imperial is?

Do you guys have a converter implanted in your brains that converts everything metric to imperial? If so, do you have one that works in reverse? I'd like to get one for use in the US so that every time I see or hear something and it isn't in metric my mind will translate it to metric as if it always was metric.

Now I'm worried!

No need to worry, maybe he'll have a 2-nd one for you too.

Dan Jackson: "What I want to know is how you all do it! How do you pull up to a gasoline pump and see the price per litre and know the price per gallon? How do you drive down the road with a metric only dash and know what you are doing in miles and miles per hour? How do you hear only metric weather broadcasts and know exactly what the imperial is?"


No, no, no, no. We don't convert. Imperial is only used in the idiot argot of surfers and even then it's only used for their surfboards' measurements and the surf's size when it's used at all. How many times do I have to say it for it to be understood? Australia is a metric country and has been for 25 years. Nobody uses gallons for petrol anymore. Petrol is priced and sold by the litre. The litre! And only the litre! No-one thinks in gallons anymore. Why should we when we use the litre? We don't convert litres to gallons. We think in litres. Oh God, why can't you people understand this? And fuel economy is measured in litres per 100km, and not miles per gallon. Litres! Litres! Or Liters (if you prefer the US spelling)! And we don't convert a vehicle's road speed to miles an hour because we use kilometres per hour. Kilometres per hour! Km/h or kph. Got it? Is it that hard to understand? Or don't you want to understand? Don't complicate such a simple matter! Just remember in Australia we think metric because we are bloody metric! There are none so blind as those who will not see.

You say that but Steve doesn't believe you. He insists everyone in Australia eats, sleeps and thinks imperial only. He has proved it to you countless times. Just look at all of those web links showing mothers talking in imperial and things for sale in imperial.

Your countrymen and women ignore all the metric around them and use and understand only imperial. Even though you live there and should know and Steve has never been to Australia he is still knows more about measurements in Australia then your Prime Minister.

An imperial fanatic is never, ever wrong.

"You say that but Steve doesn't believe you. He insists everyone in Australia eats, sleeps and thinks imperial only. He has proved it to you countless times. Just look at all of those web links showing mothers talking in imperial and things for sale in imperial"

Steve doesn't know what he's talking about. As I have said, clearly the man has problems. He lives in his own little world: the wonderful world of one--that one being Steve, the poor deluded British imperial fool. He brings up a few obscure examples from websites of imperial measures used in Australia and tries to portray these few obscure examples as typical of the whole country, a country of 20 million people, and indicative of the widespread use of imperial units in Australia. It is garbage.

Metric is overwhelmingly used in Australia, because it is the single legal system of weights and measures and the overwhelming majority of Australians prefer it to imperial, that is why Australia's conversion to metric was a success and Britain and Canada's were not. Even those of us who were taught imperial from an early age and were used to using imperial, including those such as me that were schooled in both imperial and metric systems, found that they preferred to use metric to imperial. I found retraining my thinking to metric an initially hard but worthwhile process. Those Australians that didn't like metric when we converted were usually those too mentally lazy and/or apathetic to expend the mental effort to try and mentally retrain themselves to think in metric.

And now time has overtaken these and the vast majority of people use metric despite whatever few and obscure examples Steve likes to show to "prove" the contrary. I repeat: such straw-clutching is truly pathetic. I also repeat that there is no "imperial-metric debate" in Australia; the matter was settled in metric's favour years ago.

Rip

A couple of things.

Could someone prove that I said that all Australians think in imperial and not in metric? Or, alternatively, could Danny please admit to being a liar? Reproduce the evidence by copy and pasting my words in a post below please, Danny or admit to being a liar. There's a good fanatic. ;-)

By the way, mentioning that I mentioned that the "much hated" surfer or a load of new mothers mentioning lb and oz are not an excuse for "proving" that I said that all Australian's think in imperial - so try not to use that one cuz no-one will belive you (again).

Rip - I'm surprised you are so ignorant as to believe the words of someone who fantasizes that the US and UK are blissful metric-only countries (and then goes on to say how awful the use of imperial is and all imperial users are ignorant in one way or another)

Rip - you also mention: "And we don't convert a vehicle's road speed to miles an hour because we use kilometres per hour. Kilometres per hour! Km/h or kph. Got it?"

The only way of putting it is km/h.
You got your metric wrong.
Go back to school.

BTW - do you pronounce it correct?

It's pronounced "killow" (as in pillow) + "meet" + "her" (silent 'h')

NOT - "killomm" (like the jewish "shallom") + "hitter" (silent 'h').

I bet I know how you pronounce it!

(Here's a bucket for the up and coming spittle and frotth... ;-))

[smug look]

I enjoyed that!

:-D

Re: "Australia is metric" July 13 2005, 6:37 AM


Rip
Steve doesn't know what he's talking about.


metre
I see you enjoy jousting.
Besides in the context of a sentence kilometre per hour is spot on

Looks like someone is trying to grab at our foreign secretary and his immediate family using an embarrassingly false "look I know it" point of view.

Any takers on that one?

"By the way, mentioning that I mentioned that the "much hated" surfer or a load of new mothers mentioning lb and oz are not an excuse for "proving" that I said that all Australian's think in imperial - so try not to use that one cuz no-one will belive you (again)."

Steve, don't misrepresent what I've written or put words in my mouth. At no time in any post did I describe surfers as "much hated" as you quote above. And I never wrote that you said all Australians think in imperial; I wrote that you were trying to show or "prove" that imperial units were in widespread use in Australia in this topic. Again, don't represent what I have written. You can't show me where I quoted you or referred to you as saying Australians still think in imperial because I never wrote it. And what are you trying to show or "prove" in this topic if not that imperial units are in widespread use in Australia. And the list above of a few websites that quote a few obscure references to imperial measures used by a few Australians is a pretty threadbare and pitiful attempt to do that. You're the one losing credibility.

"Rip - you also mention: "And we don't convert a vehicle's road speed to miles an hour because we use kilometres per hour. Kilometres per hour! Km/h or kph. Got it?"

The only way of putting it is km/h.
You got your metric wrong.
Go back to school."


What a pathetic attempt to split hairs: kph may not be technically correct. So what! It is used. Steve has suddenly turned pedantically metric on us. And I love this:

"You got your metric wrong.
Go back to school."

This is the BIG taunt straight out of the playground. How bloody juvenille is this!