I agree. So I will get it started. But first, I have had more than a passing interest in JKD for the last 35 years. But because there were no schools I studied more traditional Japanese and Korean arts. For the last 10 years I have been deeply involved in the study of Wing Chun. I would enjoy from time to time discussing the similarities and differences of our common heritage.

If any care to enter into the discussion, I am interested in others understanding of the appplication of the bong sao movement. I believe many JKD schools still employ the bong sao, lop sao drill. The application, how and when to use bong sao varies widely even between dofferent Wing Chun schools. I would welcome discussion from JKD or other Wing Chun students.
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Kimsut

Hello My Friend!

As always, a pleasure to have you here! In Hardcore Jeet Kune Do, the boang sao is used as a deflecting movement. Most commonly to deflect a strike coming from the same side of the centerline. Example: Opponent in a left lead throws a lead punch at the head of the JKD man, who is in a right lead. The JKD man raises his right arm into the boang sao position, deflecting the punch across the centerline. There are several possibilities for follow ups from there, but that's just one example of how we might use it! It is also often used to dissolve and redirect aggressive energies from an opponent from a position where contact has already occured. And yes, we do the boang sao/lop sao cycle drill, as well as several other drills that apply the boang sao. Most notably don chi sao and seong chi sao. Oh but wait! I just remembered that certain individuals would have us believe that such things don't exist in Jeet Kune Do! LOL

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In wing chun we use the bong sau as desribed by Sifu as deflection of a center and redirect or dissipate energy. It can also lead to some nasty follow up palm strike to the body, which is my favorite. As was pointed out by Sifu, the bong sau is not really employed in some jkd curriculum, which is why I am so happy to study wing chun as well to fill in some of the gaps.

I am studying both Wing chun and Jun Fan/JKD concepts, but also have committed to studying under Sifu Davis per his monthly seminars so I can be as complete as I can be. I have a little experience in Krav Maga,Kali and Muay Thai. I would love to discuss theories, ideas and new training techniques with you. Sifu, I will see you guys in on 12/1 for the seminar and dinner

Jeff

That the way the boang sao is taught makes a world of difference. The boang sao drills and deflects because of the cutting angle and the drilling motion helps in this. Most new people tend to throw the boang sao up in more of a traditional blocking motion. This causes force to be met with force. In the proper form the arm drills and the angle cuts the attacking force thus allowing you the more fluid flow into your attack. The attack response would all depend on the energy, height and skill of the other person. The first two would apply to 95% of the people as most "skilled" people do not or would not think of being attacked directly from this engagement. They are more use to the strike-block-disengage thing.

Kent

Thanks all,
We have very similar understandings of this movement. While I have used bong to deflect an incomming punch my prefernce would be to choose another technique as it is more difficult to employe sil lin di dar when meeting an attack with bong. I prefer bong as a deflection once contact has been made. Because the energy spirals forward contact or stickyness is maintained with the incomming force. I also prefer middle and low bong to a high bong. A good rule is to raise the bong no higher than can be done while keeping the shoulder down. If the shoulder raises out of its seated position then the bong is too high. Yes this limits when it can be used. These are my preferences only. I enjoy the bong/ lop drill because it has several applications aside from training sensitivity. If the drill is trained using middle bong it can represent a deflection, if a slight turn is used as you bong the palm of the bong arm can execute a groin slap while maintaining forward energy and contact with the elbow. The next movement in the drill would be the followup punch or by maintaining a low elbow with the punching arm the punch can instead become an arm wrench to the oponents arm.

I am glad to hear that this valuble technique has not been lost within the JKD family. Like any technique it is often missapplied. And misunderstood possibly more than most techniques. However it is very useful in the right circumstances. In an effort to distance themselves from their roots some have thrown the baby out with the bathwater.