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Hi. I'm Bob Marks and I am a professional astrologer.

January 25 2004 at 10:51 PM		bobmarks  (no login)
 
And I was referred to this board by David Leiter.

I thought it a good idea that we all get to know each other since I will be getting together with Eric Kreig to conduct a test of astrology. I have been on skeptics boards before. In fact, I have been a regular on the FACTS board since its inception (and on the old Skeptics baord before that) so I know the drill.

Rule One: it is not up to skeptics to disprove astrology. Since astrologers are making the assertion, they have to prove that astrology does work.

I agree with this. Skeptics usually get into a lot of trouble when they attempt to come up with reasons why astrology CAN'T work. All that has to be done is to ask astrologers for PROOF. Not anecdotal evidence but solid studies done with CONTROL GROUPS. Personally, I couldn't find any such studies, so I started one of my own. I managed to get timed birth data on serial killers. The results are reported on

www.astrologyresearchjournal.org

Please note that I explicitly stated that the results do not constitute "proof" one way or the other. My only claim is that I have found a scientifically valid way to test (verify OR falsify) astrology. The results so far are to be used for testing other samples. The journey is just begining and the work continues.

As I mentioned to Eric, there are three questions concerning astrology:

1)Is there some sort of "astrological force" that makes it work? If not, the party's over. No further work or tests are necessary. If the answer to (1) is yes, then...

2)Do the rules of astrology work? And...

3)Can astrologers use these rules to make verifiable statements?

It is possible for there to be an affirmative answer for (1) and negative answers to (2) and (3). Therefore the best procedure is to test (1) first. This is what I am attempting to do with the serial killer study.

Testing for (2) and (3) first leaves the BIG question unanswered: is there some sort of "astrological force?"

Well, I think this is enough of an introduction to get things started.

Bob Marks

 
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  1. Kewlio!!!!! - Ray haupt on Jan 26, 12:00 AM
    1. The first part of my case is in the link I gave. - Bob Marks on Jan 26, 2:44 AM
    2. The 10k from Eric, - Brain on Jan 26, 7:43 AM
      1. 10K prize for paranormal proof - Eric Krieg on Mar 2, 8:54 AM
     
  2. You have asked 3 questions. What about the most important question? - Brain on Jan 26, 6:34 AM
    1. "How powerful and relevant is a 'force' that is capable of so little?" - Bob Marks on Jan 26, 2:05 PM
      1. Does Jasmine and others know this what you have told us here? Is Jasmine this "one white - Brain on Jan 26, 3:48 PM
        1. Why don't you ask Jasmine? - Bob Marks on Jan 26, 11:14 PM
          1. Or even better lady Diana - Brain on Jan 27, 8:38 AM
            1. Lady Diana's death was predicted in ... - Ray Haupt on Jan 27, 9:12 AM
              1. Diana, Roman goddess of hunting - Brain on Jan 27, 11:06 AM
            2. "What if your research is correct and it works for 1 in 100 million and not for the others - Bob Marks on Jan 27, 8:57 PM
              1. To rephrase my question - Brain on Jan 28, 9:09 AM
                1. Yes (nt) - Bob Marks on Jan 28, 12:28 PM
            3. "...there is psychology that, if done properly, works almost always." - Bob Marks on Jan 27, 9:08 PM
              1. "The Structure of Magic" - Brain on Jan 28, 6:45 AM
      2. Science is the only tool, the only hope that we - Brain on Jan 27, 10:18 AM
        1. "And why would that be bad?" - Bob Marks on Jan 27, 9:11 PM
          1. Re: &quote;And why would that be bad?&quote; - Brain on Jan 28, 7:36 AM
            1. String Theory, theory incorporating both quantum mechanics and general relativity - Brain on Jan 28, 8:33 AM
        2. what science can offer us - Eric Krieg on Mar 2, 9:09 AM
          1. Is heaven or hell here on earth. Depending on our actions - Brain on Mar 2, 2:34 PM
    2. P.S. - Bob Marks on Jan 26, 3:33 PM
      1. Re: P.S. - Anonymous on Jan 27, 8:39 AM
        1. "What I am interested in is the mechanics of the aspect/event connection." - Bob Marks on Jan 27, 9:17 PM
          1. Re: &quote;What I am interested in is the mechanics of the aspect/event connection.&quote; - Brain on Jan 28, 8:44 AM
            1. So am I!(nt) - Bob Marks on Jan 28, 12:33 PM
     
  3. A bit baffled - Ray Haupt on Jan 28, 10:24 AM
    1. You're right Ray. However, as a practical matter... - Bob Marks on Jan 28, 12:57 PM
      1. Cool. - Ray Haupt on Jan 28, 1:31 PM
        1. Yes, there have been other statistical tests of astrology. - Bob Marks on Jan 28, 2:32 PM
          1. OK. The studies were flawed. - Ray Haupt on Jan 28, 10:28 PM
            1. But there already is such a database. - Bob Marks on Jan 29, 10:26 AM
              1. That sounds like a good start - Ray Haupt on Jan 30, 12:36 AM
                1. The astrodatabank has a "filtering" program built in. - Bob Marks on Jan 30, 2:18 AM
      2. Hello again Bob! - Dave, The Watcher on Jan 28, 3:13 PM
        1. Hint! The easy way and the hard way - Brain on Jan 28, 4:37 PM
          1. Thanks Brain! - Dave, The Watcher on Jan 28, 8:16 PM
            1. Like the saying goes: - Brain on Jan 29, 8:20 AM
        2. Hi Dave. - Bob Marks on Jan 28, 10:14 PM
          1. I believe the difference between... - Dave, The Watcher on Jan 29, 9:47 AM
            1. I agree with Ray 100%! - Brain on Jan 29, 1:43 PM
            2. Why would one want to "stir up" "psychopaths"? - Brain on Jan 29, 2:09 PM
              1. Brain, thanks again... - Dave, The Watcher on Jan 30, 10:18 AM
          2. PS: - Dave, The Watcher on Jan 29, 10:36 AM
          3. PPS: - Dave, The Watcher on Jan 29, 10:57 AM
        3. Informative????? - Ray Haupt on Jan 28, 10:40 PM
          1. Hello there, Ray, - Dave, The Watcher on Jan 31, 3:05 PM
            1. "whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me" - Brain on Jan 31, 5:18 PM
            2. But you set Bob up with a group ... - Ray Haupt on Jan 31, 10:04 PM
              1. "Schmucks"? Not at all, Ray! - Dave, The Watcher on Feb 2, 2:41 PM
                1. Skeptic does not equal believer! - Brain on Feb 2, 4:37 PM
                  1. A few comments, Brain. - Dave, The Watcher on Feb 4, 8:33 PM
                    1. The mechanics of how the "remote viewing" and/or "telepathy" tricks work - Brain on Feb 6, 3:41 PM
                      1. Prudently delayed response: - Dave, The Watcher on Feb 12, 3:24 PM
                      2. Prudently delayed response: - Dave, The Watcher on Feb 12, 3:24 PM
                      3. Prudently delayed response: - Dave, The Watcher on Feb 12, 3:25 PM
                        1. "Fear and how it relates to sanity" - Brain on Feb 17, 7:53 AM
                          1. I often seek to "get in the last word" on this board... - Dave, The Watcher on Feb 20, 12:20 PM
                            1. Why do you seek to get the last word? - Brain on Feb 22, 2:42 PM
                      4. Sorry for triplicate posting. - Dave, The Watcher on Feb 12, 3:28 PM
                        1. No need to apologize .... - Ray Haupt on Feb 12, 11:57 PM
                          1. Tit-for-tat, eh, Ray? - Dave, The Watcher on Feb 13, 10:58 AM
                            1. Tit-for-tat??? ... - Ray Haupt on Feb 13, 11:57 AM
                              1. I quit (almost)! - Dave, The Watcher on Feb 17, 7:17 PM
                                1. Are Bostonian tarts ..... - Ray haupt on Feb 17, 10:03 PM
                                  1. I knew... - Dave, The Watcher on Feb 20, 12:36 PM
      3. "I believe I am the first astrologer to do this." - Brain on Jan 29, 5:56 AM
        1. "What if the force doesn't want to be revealed?" - Bob Marks on Jan 29, 3:54 PM
    2. By far the best question so far! - Brain on Jan 28, 1:58 PM
      1. Ah, the wind forever blows, except when it doesn't... - The Wind on Nov 17, 1:56 AM
        1. Perfect message board. "Not too big, not too small" - Brain on Nov 17, 6:28 AM
          1. Catch another Butterfly - The Wind on Nov 19, 1:10 AM
            1. Re: Catch another Butterfly - Brain on Nov 19, 9:05 AM
              1. So will you... - The wind on Nov 23, 12:56 AM
      2. Oh the time will come up... - The Wind on Nov 17, 2:29 AM
        1. Re: Oh the time will come up... - Brain on Nov 17, 6:52 AM
          1. Mind over Matter - The Wind on Nov 19, 1:22 AM
            1. The Door of Sheep? - Brain on Nov 19, 7:53 AM
          2. A Dream - The Wind on Nov 19, 2:33 AM
            1. Becoming reality :) - Brain on Nov 19, 8:55 AM
              1. I missed you. - The Wind on Nov 23, 1:01 AM
              2. Talent. - The wind on Nov 23, 1:13 AM
              3. Re: Becoming reality :) - Anonymous on Nov 23, 1:34 AM
     
  4. Chuffed? - Elky on Nov 23, 9:23 AM
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