I suffer from ocd,post traumatic disorder and some say bipolar disorder and/or borderline personailty.
My question is if any of the alternative methods of healing are effective and real.
I have been on medicine and tradtional therapy for years and frankly I want to do these things and fix myself but have no idea of the validity of these modalties or approaches to mental health, please help.
body psychotherapies = craniosacral, feldenkrais, rubenfeld, alxander technique, bio energetics, etc.
Acupuncture / shiatsu / tuina
I know it's alot but through my research these keep coming up in healing from mental illness.
Please help, I dont want to waste money and due to my illness I can be naive I guess.
My mothers theory is they all have one thing in common and that is belief and it is I who can heal myself with the power of my mind, meds and psychotherapy, but I have been trying that for years...I am about to give up at this point.
Your logic is great! I wish our politicians would be able to reason like you. Sometimes doctors and self proclaimed "experts" tend to blow things out of proportions. You are being labeled as ill and those mentally "healthy" are starting wars in Iraq getting messages from "God".
I am glad that you found this message board, here you can learn logical and critical thinking. Also socializing with good, fine, honest, decent, highly logical, skeptical and higly intelligent people will accelerate you healing process.
A. I. : Come away O human child
To the waters of the wild
With a fairy hand in hand,
For the world’s more full of weeping
Than you can understand
Re. "...here you can learn logical and critical thinking. Also socializing with good, fine, honest, decent, highly logical, skeptical and higly intelligent people will accelerate you healing process."
Speak for yourself, Buddy! I have no intention of behaving that way here on PhACT Board!
Dave, I am talking about psychology and not this voodoo para "psychology"
January 26 2006, 6:17 PM
I can understand your fear, Dave, The Watcher! You are starting to see that there are much more people out there that have interest in skepticism than you could ever have imagined
You know very well what the clock did strike for the "paranormal"
Brain
Albert Einstein: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
No one who is currently a regular poster on this board is an expert in mental health matters so we are not in a good position to give advice of the nature that you seek.
We mainly tend to be skeptics of most of the things that you have listed so I think that most of us would advise great caution in treatments that you seek. Here is a website that can give a lot of information about many many alternative physical and mental health therapies.
There is likely to be a wealth of information of the kind you seek at the Quackwatch website. Doctor Barrett was a speaker at PhACT a few years ago. He is a psychiatrist.
Have you consulted a traditional psychologist or psychiatrist? That might be a good start.
I wish you luck and have sympathy with your situation.
Hello Rob
Rob, is it abbreviation from Robin? Maybe you can say something about your symptoms?
I am glad that you are thinking about a therapy The first step toward change is realization, and now, after you have realized that you need help, the hardest part is over. It will get easier and easier
My hobby is psychology and from what I know, the Hypnosis therapy is very efficient as well as NLP. The inner child work is good if the traumatic experience was in your childhood.
You know I am starting to rethink these things and even psychotherapy as well, I am coming to the conclusion that there is no instant cure and that any healing will come from me and my higher power and the mere power of belief, not by methods that were created by people.
Pretty depressing but I think it's just reality, stone cold logic.
Yes Rob, you are right, there is no instant cure, but there is a way out. You are at the point where you are because you have taken action you have taken. Logical conclusion is that you take other action (cause) that will lead you to fulfilling, happy, healthy and Joyful results (effect).
You could start reading the message board and find subject’s that interest you and start socializing with different people from the ones you socialize right now. Logical people. People, a little bit more logical than Oyster. People as logical as Spock
those things. You allow yourself to suffer from them. Regardless of the drug or therapy the only thing that can actually heal you is you. When you cut your finger, does the band aid or neosporin heal the cut? No. Your body heals itself. Your mind is no different. But sometimes your mind and body need a little help to heal.
The one aspect that those various remedies ( the credible ones) have in common is concentration and meditation.
I assume that since you state that you suffer from those afflictions that you have seen a psychologist or psychiatrist. If you haven't then you shouldn't even be asking these question. Ask him/her about studying mindfulness meditation. It is taught by just about any Buddhist teacher usually at no or little cost. Mindfulness meditation will at least help you to be more aware of your mental state. Also, there is a new meditation book due out at the end of the month (I've reserved my copy). It is Meditation for Dummies 2nd edition by Stephan Bodian.
Above all talk to your psychologist or psychiatrist before undertaking any remedy.
Isaiah 53
1Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant,
And as a root out of dry ground.
He has no form or comeliness;
And when we see Him,
There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
3He is despised and rejected by men,
A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.
And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9And they made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.
11He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.
RE:Are you sure Davidc that you are doing the right thing?
January 25 2006, 12:23 AM
Job 41:
8 Lay your hand on him;
Remember the battle—
Never do it again!
9 Indeed, any hope of overcoming him is false;
Shall one not be overwhelmed at the sight of him?
10 No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up.
Who then is able to stand against Me?
11 Who has preceded Me, that I should pay him?
Everything under heaven is Mine.
Sounds familiar from The Third Reich as well as the Forth Reich
January 25 2006, 8:11 AM
Adolf Hitler: "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
(The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this "tradition" up until the 20th century.)
As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to his own heaven.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
Verily a man cannot serve two masters. And I consider the foundation or destruction of a religion far greater than the foundation or destruction of a state, let alone a party.
-Adolf Hitler speaking like Jesus in Matthew 6:24 (Mein Kampf)
It [Christian Social Party] recognized the value of large-scale propaganda and was a virtuoso in influencing the psychological instincts of the broad masses of its adherents.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
I had so often sung 'Deutschland über Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
Certainly we don't have to discuss these matters with the Jews, the most modern inventors of this cultural perfume. Their whole existence is an embodied protest against the aesthetics of the Lord's image.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
...we must pray to the Almighty not to refuse His blessing to this change and not to abandon our people in the times to come.
-Hitler recalling a priest's speech after the defeat of WWI (Mein Kampf)
Due to his own original special nature, the Jew cannot possess a religious institution, if for no other reason because he lacks idealism in any form, and hence belief in a hereafter is absolutely foreign to him. And a religion in the Aryan sense cannot be imagined which lacks the conviction of survival after death in some form. Indeed, the Talmud is not a book to prepare a man for the hereafter, but only for a practical and profitable life in this world.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth...
Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea.
-Adolf Hitler sounding like the Moral Majority (Mein Kampf)
The fight against syphilis demands a fight against prostitution, against prejudices, old habits, against previous conceptions, general views among them not least the false prudery of certain circles.
The first prerequisite for even the moral right to combat these things is the facilitation of earlier marriage for the coming generation. In late marriage alone lies the compulsion to retain an institution which, twist and turn as you like, is and remains a disgrace to humanity, an institution which is damned ill-suited to a being who with his usual modesty likes to regard himself as the 'image' of God.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
(See Genesis 1:27 for man created in God's image.)
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
Translated: Unser Führer
Brain The Wind777:"Never before has a book been written which has a higher level of terrorization contained within it's source."
The problem with terrorism, is that those who terrorize others have to justify that it's right. The Bible has been justifying that it is right to terrorize others for over 4000 years. It's branches, the Koran and the Talmud, both also justify terrorization in the name of love.
Christianity is based on terrorization. It is terrorization to 'warn' little kids that they will be thrown into some evil hell if they do the least thing wrong. It is terrorism to say that if you don't get into heaven, then you go to hell, and then say that few will enter the kingdom of heaven. It is terrorism to spread the concepts of Hell and Damnation, or to support those who spread a Book which supports the concepts of Hell and Damnation or a Jealous God, or a Vengeful God.
Those who do it, even if they think they are doing right, are not doing right. They are doing evil.
Those who purport to love, and do such things, are doing evil.
Condition people into blind obedience. The same goes for Muslim’s and Jews. When a human being is being broken into blind obedience to bow to God, then he is also ready to bow to the rulers who invented this terrorism in the first place to manipulate and use people.
One does NOT question God. Do people question neoliberalism? Of course not! People are raised and drilled to unconditionally execute orders and not to skeptically think and decide or otherwise they would easily figure out that they are just cattle, maneuvering mass of their parasite owners.
Christianity is based on terrorization. It is terrorization to 'warn' little kids that they will be thrown into some evil hell if they do the least thing wrong. It is terrorism to say that if you don't get into heaven, then you go to hell, and then say that few will enter the kingdom of heaven. It is terrorism to spread the concepts of Hell and Damnation, or to support those who spread a Book which supports the concepts of Hell and Damnation or a Jealous God, or a Vengeful God.
How true ! the effects of children being terrorized with the bible, you and I both feel Look what this little girl has done to Robin, she crippled her
Robin: I was raised by atheist parents yet even as a small child I knew God. In fact I was very close to Him. There was never any doubt in my mind that He existed. I spent a lot of time alone (no neighbors) yet I never felt alone. How can you be lonely when you have God for your best friend? I was a very happy little girl. Then I started school. I think it was the 1st grade where I met this little girl. She asked me if I was saved and if I went to church. Well of course I didn't go to church because I had atheist parents. She told me if not, God would send me to hell. Well that was it, that ended my relationship with God. I wasn't about to hang out with someone who was going to toss me into a pit of fire. I thought it was like the cat and mouse thing, you know the cat (God) plays with the mouse (me) before he eats it. Who knows what goes through the mind of a 6 year old?
Normally I don't believe in quoting verses. It can be dangerous if taken out of context, but there are exceptions, and I believe this to be one of them:
(Matthew 18:6)
If anyone causes one of these little ones who trusts me, to loose his faith, it would be better for you to have a rock tied around your neck and to be thrown into the sea.
I have no desire for that to happen to anybody. But you and I both know that someone taught her that. I wonder what were they thinking? I honestly don't believe they realized the harm the words of a 6 year old could cause. And I wonder how many others were separated from God this very same way? My point is, please please choose your words wisely when teaching your children about God. I almost think it would be better to teach them nothing at all than to risk them causing someone to lose their faith.
I felt betrayed by God. And for the first time in my life I felt alone and sad because I had just lost my best friend. I spent the next 20 years running and hiding from God. In other words 'IN HELL' where that little girl sent me!! More and more I felt an emptiness inside, and as years went by I tried to find ways to fill it…
Brain
Terrorism - as defined in official U.S. documents: The calculated use of violence or threat of violence to attain goals that are political, religious, or ideological in nature. This is done through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear.
I would also like to thank you for being such a good teacher I remember our conservations over at The Garden message board. The Purim, the cardboard cutout, fear and how it relates to sanity, two "boats" being separated, the titanium house and many more… especially I remember your reply to my circle dream:
I dreamed of a circle, I dreamed of a circle round.
And in that circle I had made were all the worlds unformed and unborn yet.
A volume, a sphere that was the earth, that was the moon, that did revolve around my room.
I dreamed of a circle, I dreamed of a circle round.
And in that circle was a maze, a terrible spiral to be lost in.
Blind in my fear, I was escaping just by feel.
But at every turn my way was sealed.
I dreamed of a circle, I dreamed of a circle round.
And in that circle was a face.
Her eyes looked upon me with fondness.
Her warmth coming near, calling me "sweetness," calling me "dear."
But I whispered, "no, I can't rest here."
I dreamed of a circle, I dreamed of a circle round.
You were and are a good influence for me as well as others around me that dwell in silence. No reason to apologize for doing the right thing!
I remember the good times and also at the same time know that the best is to come
Love is like a flower, it needs light to blossom. The way the world is organized now, blind obedience to zoo owners, want and cannot last long the day is coming when people want be able to continue with business as usual and then they will ask and be ready to listen.
We are lucky to live in these days, out of 3 billion years of evolution, to experience the biggest change in history of mankind
Brain
Mahatma Gandhi: I believe in conversion of mankind, not its destruction.
It has been nice to blow through for just an instant, a moment. But, you knew I couldn't stay forever... When you model yourself on the Cheshire Cat you have to expect fading smiles.
Sometimes there's a last time. We never know when the last time will be. Tides come in and they go out, they fade and receed. They swell until they're very tall waves.
Mouths are like the tides.
As I've said before, and I'll say again. One of the best lines which describes me is, "How can I miss you, if you won't go away."
""I beheld, and, lo, the eagle flew with her feathers, and reigned upon earth, and over them that dwelt therein."
Ah, Christianity.
What happens next? Division, then division, then division, then division and splits and divisions. Then a fourth kingdom become master by terror.
"The fourth came, and overcame all the beasts that were past, and had power over the world with great fearfulness, and over the whole compass of the earth with much wicked oppression; and so long time dwelt he upon the earth with deceit."
But, of course, the fourth thinks theirs is a wonderful and lovely kingdom because they lie with their eyes and hearts. They say the Holy Bible is a 'Good Book' when it is a book of retribution and terror. They say, "Are you saved" so as to increase the terror that a person might not be loved. They say 'Fear God' that terror might be worshipped. They terrify small children that they will be lost, they hold up a dead body and tell all that this man was killed in a gruesome fashion and that all men are sinful. They raise terror and the earth is their mouth.
"Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out."
Did you see the movie The Island? It’s a great metaphor about what’s going on now. In The Island movie the zoo owners were cloning people and brainwashing them that the reason why they live in this bunker was that the world outside is polluted. They also had this lottery, who gets to go to The Island. People were working there in this bunker where zoo owners regulated everything… Until one man there became a skeptic and started to ask himself and others questions and started to realize inconsistencies in the "logic" of the system. He figured out that those who win the lottery don’t get to The Island but instead get butchered for their organs…
And, The Island story ends like all other stories where people are brought to the point of realization that they are just being manipulated and used
Brain
Albert Einstein: I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation and is but a reflection of human frailty.
Do you think Hitler must not have known that Jesus was a Jew?
That His apostles were Jews? That the first believers were Jews?
Hitler invoked the name of Christianity for his own interests.
You must be dressed like a sheep before you can kill them.
Christianity wasn't invented by Jesus, but by Paul.
Did Jesus ever tell anybody to build churches, or write books? No, he didn't.
Obviously, if he thought a book were the answer, then he would have written it. He didn't.
If Jesus were alive today, he'd do the same to Christianity that he did to Judaism. Neither has to do with love. Both are love, cleverly disguised as a wolf.
The Church is not a building. It is Jesus' Bride. The church are His people. No matter what people collect under a building only He knows who are His people. What I say means nothing. What He says means everything.
“Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.
Jesus read Books. The books you despise.
He quoted the books of Moses, He quoted the book of Daniel, He picked up the scrolls of Isaiah and read:
“The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD.
He then closed the book, sat down and told all “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
GOOD Thing He stopped reading, You should see the next few lines!!
You know nothing about me and I know nothing about you.
You are assuming things about me that you know nothing about.
I am not a member of a "church" building or religion.
I would never point you to a Building or a specific group.
His believers are scattered everywhere. Some in Bars, Some drive beer trucks or taxis, and even some in "church" buildings.
In book of Acts they did not call themselves christians.
They were called Christians from observers. Because they were like little christs.
You quote books you despise.
I cannot tell from your writings whether you like, love or hate Jesus.
I do detect you hate religion and so do I.
His church is an organism where all members are equal and His ministers should be people that serve and wash feet.
All Religions have this backwards. They expect the sheep to serve them. He hated the deeds of the Nicolaitans.
In Jesus' letters to the 7 "churches" only 2 passed the course and to the other 5 stern warnings were given and corrective measures told.
He said that He was the "Word" He also told the religious people of His day (John 5) You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
I believe in love. I believe that love and god are the same thing. I believe that nothing but love should ever be worshipped. Jesus was a man. He never said he was anything but a man. He called himself 'The Son of Man'. Others called him the Son of God.
I worship no man. Some day people will know love, and when they do, religion will be gone because they will understand just how wrong they were.
<<Jesus was a man. He never said he was anything but a man. He called himself 'The Son of Man'. Others called him the Son of God.>>
Then you have never completely read the Gospels nor the Book of Revelation.
For even the Religious rulers of His day understood the context of what he was saying.
John 10:32Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, "You are gods"’? If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him." 39Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand.
A book filled with vileness and curses is not love. The new book, which they called the New Testament is not love. Both are evil books, created from evil, leading the world into evil and until they are gone the world will never have true rest. They will always and forever be haunted by our past and the vile people who made up our past.
If Jesus was one of those vile people, then he is included in those I talk against because he, also, didn't know completed love if that is the case.
And, you are saying things that a book says. I am saying things that my heart says.
Love is the only important thing. All else that is good stems from love. What isn't of love in the Bible isn't of God, so therefore 99.999 percent of the book is not of love so is not of God. Period.
All the pompous windbags in the world (and by that I mean the religious) can't change my mind, because it isn't about changing one's mind... it's about knowing what love is and knowing what it isn't.
I'm just a person who won't eat s**t and say it tastes good.
I eat s**t and say it tastes like s**t. It's really quite an easy thing to do, unless someone has been brainwashed into thinking that s**t really tastes good. Then, that person will always say that s**t tastes good, because they don't know the difference, any more.
"The problem with terrorism, is that those who terrorize others have to justify that it's right. The Bible has been justifying that it is right to terrorize others for over 4000 years. It's branches, the Koran and the Talmud, both also justify terrorization in the name of love.
Christianity is based on terrorization. It is terrorization to 'warn' little kids that they will be thrown into some evil hell if they do the least thing wrong. It is terrorism to say that if you don't get into heaven, then you go to hell, and then say that few will enter the kingdom of heaven. It is terrorism to spread the concepts of Hell and Damnation, or to support those who spread a Book which supports the concepts of Hell and Damnation or a Jealous God, or a Vengeful God.
Those who do it, even if they think they are doing right, are not doing right. They are doing evil.
Those who purport to love, and do such things, are doing evil.
The god described in the Koran has different Attributes than the one in the Talmud. There is a difference.
If it's just happenstance creation and evolution and there is no God then what you see in the world today is right on course, the evolution of mankind. You can tolerate it or you can do these things to change the course of the world: Spread your thinking, Reproduce Children and Annihilate the weaker. It all has to do with genetics. Entropy and Cold Death of the Universe. Even so come....
I believe that there is an Absolute Creator (God) of all that we see and cannot see.(Visible and Invisible, invisible meaning things that we are not able to detect). Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God Created the heavens and the earth.
If you do not believe in this Absolute Creator then you should just stop here... I would just be philosophical and illogical to you.
If you do believe in God Creator then it is He that set up all the Rules of the Universe and its His Ballgame and it's "All about Him" if He wanted it that way. Whatever He allowed us to have control over would have been given by him. For He created All.
Is He knowable? and if so Who is He?
You nor I would NOT have any control over such a powerful being. We would not be able to detect him at all unless he had made a way.
Ants raised in a container of dirt and fed and watered daily by me have no knowledge of where their life's sustenance come from. Nor would they have no knowledge of me. Unless I was able to communicate on their level. I might even have to become an ant so that they would know me. I have the power to withhold their sustenance should I choose so, or I could burn them up with a magnifying glass. No matter what they believed or discussed of me would be inconsequential to my actions, should I choose. They could believe I was just and good or could believe I didn't exist, it would not matter. It would be like entities of Euclidean 2D Space having an understanding and knowledge of entities of 3D Space.
The Bible says that God created Hell for the Fallen Angels (which were created before Genesis 1:3) It was never intended for man to go there. For the "Fallen One" shows up at the garden. It states that Hell has to enlarge itself for every soul that willingly goes there. For He has made a way that those who choose to break his rules can be restored so that they can co-exist with Him in His kingdom so that there will be no more chance for harm whatsoever. This Hell is basically a separation of those that break his rules from "Himself". No human words can describe this separation. Ultimate loneliness and cut off from all that is love. The rule breakers would have to make their own love. God in the Bible states that He Creates Evil. This evil was not a direct creation, but due to the result of creating entities with free thinking abilities, so they had the ability to rebel against the Creator and His Rules. It is His statement that HE IS LOVE.
Questions for you.
How would you have created men to be, and still let us have the ability to free think?
What would you do to a man should he choose to harm another and still not violate his ability to free think?
See, the problem with Christianity is that I can speak the truth and you can see that I am speaking the truth, but you can't agree to the fact that it is the truth because of your system.
If your system doesn't support the truth, but makes you be silent when you hear the truth... they you aren't listening to the truth.
<<See, the problem with Christianity is that I can speak the truth and you can see that I am speaking the truth, but you can't agree to the fact that it is the truth because of your system.
If your system doesn't support the truth, but makes you be silent when you hear the truth... they you aren't listening to the truth.
So.... Let me get this straight.>>
The problem with Christianity is that "you" can speak the truth and that I can see that "you" are speaking the truth, but I can't agree to the fact that it is the truth because of my system(?) If my system(?) doesn't support the truth, but makes me be silent when I hear "your" the truth... then I'm not listening to "your" the truth.
ummm.. That's as clear as double sided mirror. Are you on the interrogator's side or the observer's side.
Me thinks you see your own reflection.
"The problem with terrorism, is that those who terrorize others have to justify that it's right. The Bible has been justifying that it is right to terrorize others for over 4000 years. It's branches, the Koran and the Talmud, both also justify terrorization in the name of love.
Christianity is based on terrorization. It is terrorization to 'warn' little kids that they will be thrown into some evil hell if they do the least thing wrong. It is terrorism to say that if you don't get into heaven, then you go to hell, and then say that few will enter the kingdom of heaven. It is terrorism to spread the concepts of Hell and Damnation, or to support those who spread a Book which supports the concepts of Hell and Damnation or a Jealous God, or a Vengeful God.
Those who do it, even if they think they are doing right, are not doing right. They are doing evil.
Those who purport to love, and do such things, are doing evil.
People like saying that people who do horrid things in the name of God 'Aren't Christian'. I could list thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of attrocities done in the name of Christianity. Christianity teaches evil concepts. It says it teaches love when it does no such thing. It spreads a book that is filled with vileness, terror and curses. It fills people with that vileness, terror and curses... and then wonders why they do what they do.
We've never been able to see what the world would be like without the constant horrid barrage of brainwashing that Christians pour like the plague upon this planet.
Nobody can dare speak the truth, lest they be called the Devil. Spreading the concept that we were all born sinful is sinful. You have to believe in people for them to do better. Pity presses down on people and makes them feel like pieces of ****.
Those who think they do good by pitying people are really cleverly amplifying their own goodness and glorifying that they are better than those other people, masking those feelings behind a deceptive smile. Second... spreading guilt makes people do worse, not better. Almost every concept that Christianity spreads are all evil. And, they keep a constant stream of hoards of sheep coming by terrorizing them into submission lest they 'Go to Hell'.
The Bible is a despicable book which teaches both war and bigotry. It has taught the world to hate, and continues to do so. As a world, we've been fighting the evil mind of the Bible for 4000 years. We've had some successes as far as bringing women forward until they're standing with almost equal status with men. Next, will be to have Christians treat gay people with respect as human beings.
In Peter 1, a friend once said:
"And, so I now say...
"Love one another."
I implore you all to put away your weapons of war. Come out of her.
And now you can see the God you've made and can see your own Book... For hasn't your Book said.
"The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name."
And, also...
""Wherefore it is said in the book of the wars of the LORD"
"And Moses sent them to the war."
"Only that the generations of the children of Israel might know, to teach them war, at the least such as before knew nothing thereof; And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he judged Israel, and went out to war."
NOSTRADAMUS
"The gods will make it appear to mankind
that they are the authors of a great war.
Before the sky was seen to be free of weapons and rockets:
the greatest damage will be inflicted on the left."
"So, you are saying that you worship ultimate arrogance and that you wish to be connected with the source of absolute terrorism, then?"
God either is or isn't. You believe he isn't, I believe he is.
If He isn't than it's just a human evolutionary progress that has created (developed) this belief of a deity in the majority of humans. And we are all part of it. The stronger will temporarily survive passing on their genetics, and the weaker will dissipate into heat lost ultimately turning into a cold universe as entropy takes it's course with not a mechanism to re-energize it. Eventually all will dissipate. So all is meaningless and nothing matters.
I have read many articles about "it".
"it" imagines
"it" designs or engineers
"it" creates
"it" sees into the future or anticipates
"it" experiments
"it" calculates
"it" makes mistakes
"it" has language
All these attributes have been given to this word:"Evolution".
Evolution has been given personality by the majorities of the science community. I have read it....
If He is, then who is he? And is He knowable.
He has created and organized this universe and it's His ball game whether we like it or not and he has made the rules.
His energy is more than the energy of this entire universe.
He can be separate from this universe and we would not be able to detect him unless He wanted us to detect him.
But He has interjected himself into our world as a man to convey a message to mankind to save us from ourselves.
Are we able to free think or not?
Jesus said "I AM the way, the truth and the life"
Not a way, a truth, or a life.
He is either who He says He is or He's not.
I can choose to believe Him or not.
You can believe how ever you choose.
Of course depending upon which country you live in you can be killed or jailed for believing in Jesus.
religion and Jesus are two opposing things.
Jesus came not to start a religion, was man's idea, another way to lord over people and to control them.
Jesus came to bring life and life more abundantly.
I willingly bow to Jesus, He is my King and my peace.
I feel a satisfying peace even in the midst of turmoil.
I can love the unlovable and do good to my enemies.
If your house was burning down with you in it would you not want someone to come in, warn you, wake you up and try to drag you and your family out of that house? Some people got up, went to work, feeling just fine, then a fiery plane hit their tower. A firefighter knocked on their doors yelling to get out. The ones that stayed died but the ones that listened escaped, The firefighter died yelling for the people. I cannot make you believe I can only yell at you. Peace be unto you....
Jesus said: John 3:7Do not marvel that I said to you‘You must be born again.’ 8The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."
John:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.
10He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
"So, you are saying that you worship ultimate arrogance and that you wish to be connected with the source of absolute terrorism, then?"
God either is or isn't. You believe he isn't, I believe he is.
If He isn't than it's just a human evolutionary progress that has created (developed) this belief of a deity in the majority of humans. And we are all part of it. The stronger will temporarily survive passing on their genetics, and the weaker will dissipate into heat lost ultimately turning into a cold universe as entropy takes it's course with not a mechanism to re-energize it. Eventually all will dissipate. So all is meaningless and nothing matters.
I have read many articles about "it".
"it" imagines
"it" designs or engineers
"it" creates
"it" sees into the future or anticipates
"it" experiments
"it" calculates
"it" makes mistakes
"it" has language
All these attributes have been given to this word:"Evolution".
Evolution has been given personality by the majorities of the science community. I have read it....
If He is, then who is he? And is He knowable.
He has created and organized this universe and it's His ball game whether we like it or not and he has made the rules.
His energy is more than the energy of this entire universe.
He can be separate from this universe and we would not be able to detect him unless He wanted us to detect him.
But He has interjected himself into our world as a man to convey a message to mankind to save us from ourselves.
Are we able to free think or not?
Jesus said "I AM the way, the truth and the life"
Not a way, a truth, or a life.
He is either who He says He is or He's not.
I can choose to believe Him or not.
You can believe how ever you choose.
Of course depending upon which country you live in you can be killed or jailed for believing in Jesus.
religion and Jesus are two opposing things.
Jesus came not to start a religion, was man's idea, another way to lord over people and to control them.
Jesus came to bring life and life more abundantly.
I willingly bow to Jesus, He is my King and my peace.
I feel a satisfying peace even in the midst of turmoil.
I can love the unlovable and do good to my enemies.
If your house was burning down with you in it would you not want someone to come in, warn you, wake you up and try to drag you and your family out of that house? Some people got up, went to work, feeling just fine, then a fiery plane hit their tower. A firefighter knocked on their doors yelling to get out. The ones that stayed died but the ones that listened escaped, The firefighter died yelling for the people. I cannot make you believe I can only yell at you. Peace be unto you....
Jesus said: John 3:7Do not marvel that I said to you‘You must be born again.
! the effects of children being terrorized with the bible, you and I both feel