I have an opportunity to buy a set of Cromodora CD16 wheels, with Falken 205/60-13 tires mounted. These were on a spyder. The website link on the best of section says they will fit an X. Does anyone have any experience with them? Are they ugly or decent looking on an X? I have not yet seen the wheels in person so I could use a little guidance.

...as the iron cross wheel. Maybe someone here has a pic for you.

These were the alloys on many 82/83 Xs in the US. There are a few of them pictured here on Network54.

The CD 16 looks a bit heavy visually for an X to me but its a good wheel, 5.5" wide and plenty strong.

A really good reference for Italian alloys can be found here:
http://www.histowheels.com/
http://www.histowheels.com/Campagnolo/
http://www.histowheels.com/Cromodora/

I'll dredge up a pic in a few minutes.



Karl Mead
West Michigan
1969 850 Sport Coupe
1970 124 Sport Coupe
1985 Bertone X 1/9

Now I know why I can't remember a CD 32, from a 60, from a 93, from a 16, from a, a, a...

My best,



Tony
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Karl Mead
West Michigan
1969 850 Sport Coupe
1970 124 Sport Coupe
1985 Bertone X 1/9

3 restored, 1 new-in-box on my previous X1/9:







RMMJ
1986 Bertone X1/9 a.k.a BlueTooth
www.socalx.com

Cromodora also made a big brother Iron Cross wheel with a 14" diameter, the CD19. These were available on anniversary model Fiat spiders and are what I have mounted on my car. Either way, nice period choice for a wheel.

think you'll have some fender clearance issues running the 205/60-13 on the front, but should be no problem on the rear.

When I first got my 78 it had 205/50 13 sumitomos and I thought I'd see how it looked up front. It took three spacers to make it fit and clear the spring perch. Once mounted it just appeared that they were too far out, and the effect of extending the track by 30mm made the camber look ridiculous. The steering felt a bit heavier too, especially at lower speeds and the tire rubbed the inner wheel well just before lock. The 205/60 series will probably rub sooner. Lastly, IMHO the 205's are really too wide for the 5.5" rim and the sidewalls move alot and feels wobbly.

These are the only pics I still have of those tires...




There are a few other things to consider too. First of all stacking OE plates is not at all precise for lug centric wheels. For me, there is just too much room for error when installing them with bolts. Studs would be better than bolts, but a solid spacer that is hub centric and has a machined lip to be wheel centric as well would be the best bet. Still to consider is that by doing so, using either method, you will extend the front track of the vehicle by 30mm. That will most likely have some effects on handling, braking and front bearing wear.

The posted picture of my blue 79 shows 185/60 13 on CD16's mounted using one OE plate (with the car on IAP red springs and Monte Hospital Camber correction bushings).

Just one guy's opinion based on actually testing it...

Tommy

... its no longer simply an opinion! 

Thanks for your input.

My best,



Tony
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Well I bought the wheels last night. Today I will be taking the Mini to the British car show in Norcross, then to a birthday party. So tomorrow morning I will be playing with the X. I'll report back on the fit issues. Thanks for everyones input.

I am most curious to see how the Falken tires feel to you. I am kinda wondering if it was just that tire was too big for the rim, or if it's just a common issue with Sumitomo tires in general. Even the 185/60 13's on the blue 79 feel a bit squirrely to me. But then again, that is in comparison to the 195/50 15's on my 78 and 245/45 18's on my Sky. Not exactly a fair comparison, or should I say contrast. Anyway, I had Falken 512's on my old 300ZX and they always felt really solid.

If you don't mind, I'd like to share a few things I learned while mounting that size of tire on that rim, in the front.

When trying to check for fit, if you use wheel bolts, make sure your bolts are long enough so that there is about 8 to 9 mm of thread coming through the wheel/spacers/brake disk, to thread into the hub. If they are too long they could make contact with the carrier, and too short could lead to failure. I also used a bit longer bolts in place of the stock wheel-locating bolts to secure the plates. Lemme tall ya, holding three OE spacers in place along with the wheel/tire and disk, while trying to stab the wheel bolt thru there, is not a fun process - and there is no way to make sure that disk and spacer plates are centered, which is important.

When I did mine, I found that it was very helpful to use some screw-in studs and lug nuts. Doing this and securing the plates with the longer bolts makes it much easier to mount the wheel. And, IMHO this will also help to
center the wheel, spacers and brake disk, in order to avoid vibration issues.

I have a few extra studs, nuts and spacers if you need/want them...

Good luck with it and have fun...

Tommy

X-ON!
Tommy

I was so engrossed with the wheels I didn't notice the tire size.

I run 205/60x13s on the rear and they definately will NOT fit up front.

You'll need to purchase two new tires, 185/60x13s will work nicely... no rotation of course, but do, or get a good alignment and you'll be fine.

I like... actually LOVE the staggered look and with as much driving as I do, the tires get UGLY before they wear out.

Hope that works for you... or if yur gonna be a daily driver with mega miles, then a set of 4 - 185/60x13s are the ticket.

My best,



Tony
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Tony, of course you are correct. They did not fit on the front at all. Maybe if I put an inch of spacer on, but there is no way I will do that. I am going to order a could of the HTR200's you have previously recommended. That seems to be all that is available, unless you want to spend silly money.

... the 175HR50x13s for the front.

They can be "drastically" small looking... but can also look very cool on a lowered car.

(I think a 185HR50x13 would be perfect but I've never seen any made.)

Just a thought...

My best,



Tony
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I ran the 175/50-13's on a Sportpack Mini and liked them for that application, EXCEPT I had to buy a new one after it got a bit loose once, I bumped a botts dot, and trashed the sidewall. Ever since I have been leery of 50 series tires. Also my car has not been lowered so it would not look right at all. But I bet the turn-in would be great. The steering on the X seems a bit slow to me, maybe because the Mini is only 2.5 turns lock to lock. If you aren't careful when you sneeze you'll find yourself in the next lane.

Depending on what kinda tires you have now, I thiink you'll find the 185/60s to be quite acceptable.  Do check your toe-in also... 

Hey... like the X... there ain't no car like a Mini... 'course, its hard to even call that a car!

HA!  Your wheelbase is about as long as the track!

My best,



Tony
Black Tooth and me... since 1983!


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After determining the 205's would not fit I ordered the 185 Sumitomos. Tirerack is quite fast, they came in Tuesday, I had them mounted on the rims yesterday, and put them on the car last night. I recycled the factory wheel nuts, but did not use the spacers. So the rear track is now maybe 1 1/2" more narrow, as is the front. I did have to put thin washers on the front between the wheels and hub, there is 5/16" between the tire and the bottom of the spring. But it does not rub, and now it no longer rubs the fender as the old tires/wheels did. The combination of 205 on the rear and 185 on the front looks great. I am trying to drive as much as possible the next couple of days to scrub off the mold release goop they put on the tires so I will be ready for autocross this Sunday. It should be fun. I'm sure I'll be all over the place with squirmy new tires. But fun nevertheless. And the wheels look great on a silver car.