Why didn't Augustine condemn more than his heresy on Universalism? Generally you are right he was a protege
or Clement of Alexander which by what you have written clearly says to me that Catholism was around in the first century Century. Though I see no evidence that Clement was a Universalist. I would also contend the minus the Universalism Clement is a protege or Iranesus, Ignatius of Antioch (A disciple of John by the way), Jerome, Pope Damasus, Augustine, Justin Martyr, St. Thomas Aquinas, Pope Pius X, John Paul II. Do we have any arguement here so far. I would contend that he is a protege of Peter but we can agree to disagree on that one for now.
You say:
The key to unraveling this mess goes all the way back to Jesus. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, not John the Baptizer, not John the Catholic. Origen, was a Catholic. See the following links which verify my statement: http://shell5.ba.best.com/~gdavis/ntcanon/origen.htm http://www.island-of-freedom.com/ORIGEN.HTM
These are only a couple of, no doubt, hundreds or thousands of links relating to Origen. Baptists believe Origen not only was not a Baptist, but that he was not a true Christian, contrary to what Catholics believe (that's another discussion).
I say:
So John the Baptist means that John was a Baptist? That is an extremely weak arguement even if I were objective in all of this. Did he believe in Sola Scriptura? Hint: He died long before the book of revalations was written.
You say:
Jesus said that there would be tares AMONG the wheat. That means that at First Baptist Church of Hammond, there are unbelievers, conforming to, looking like, talking like, and living like "born-again" Baptists, but they have never had a born-again experience demanded by Jesus in John Chapter 3. We are not born again by baptism, as Catholics believe, we are "...born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, BY THE WORD OF GOD, which liveth and abideth for ever." I Peter 1:23. "Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:17 That's how Catholic monk Martin Luther got "saved." His faith in Christ came by reading the Word of God in Romans 1:17: "The just shall live by faith." That's why the Devil is attacking the Word of God with all these new "versions." And that's why we fundamentalists are so fanatical about the old King James Bible. That's why fundamentalists reject Origen's "scriptures."
I say:
That's why Peter says:
Acts 2:38
Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit
Go ahead tell me all about what the word for means here, I have heard it before. Well it really shouldn't say for ......fill in the rest.
That's why Noah was saved through the waters as a forshadowing of Baptism.
That's why Martin Luther had to insert the word alone in Romans 3 when in James it says not by faith alone.
You say:
Jesus had His Judas. Origen's writings reflect his Catholic personality. It is also important to recognize those with whom he associated. Origen was a protege' of Clement of Alexandria, Egypt.
I say:
They also reflect that Catholism existed at the time of Origen regardless of whether he was declared a heretic for his universalist writings or not. We certainly don't take his writings as scripture. By the way lets not throw out the whole bunch of apples just because one is bad. In the garden of eden there was truth in Satan's statements. Adam and Eve knew good from evil when they partook of the fruit. Problem is they did die.
You say:
Here's a very informative site defending the King James Bible.
I say:
I am not much interested in the KJV. It is corrupt. Your websites about the Jesuits in Hellywood give an indication of the ridiculous things you lead people in to solely to promote your agenda against the Catholic Church. Tell me, wouldn't it be better if you protestants sat around developing theology instead of trying to tear down something that has stood the test of time. It is kind of like tearing down Mt. Everest. "the gates of Hell shall not prevail!"
Posted on Jun 1, 2001, 1:06 PM from IP address 206.9.231.32