When, please, thank you :D

I see that the rankings have been updated. I don't completely agree with the rankings, but well, its all for fun anyways.

Not that it matters to anyone but me, but...

BMO Investorline First Dragons - Sure they came in 7th in TIDBRF Corporate. But more importantly for them, they took back the Bankers Cup

Actually, we took back the Banker's Cup last year. So it's two in a row for BMO, after one year each with Scotia and RBC.

Mayfair seems to be missing from the revised rankings.

You gotta be kiddin'!

Scotia beach from 17 to 4 in a race or two. Most other crews have to perform above average for about 8 events before being put ahead of the imps, err, I mean, before being advanced significantly.

And given the ride they received, the placing is in no way justified.

what a waste of time....it seems like they don't even know
who has raced, who is actually racing. Half these teams will be beaten
by completely unranked teams.
one word - pathetic.

Anon 1:49pm. Who is missing who can beat half the teams on the rankings?

I can't think of anyone missing who can beat 50% of the list, but I can think of a few decent teams that are missing:
The Saints, EMS, Jetstart, 5/10 dragons, Riptide A, Sunnybrook, Telus, Wavecutters, GG dragons (who are these guys? I just noticed them at Pickering), Mowat A

Perhaps the rankings team shold not look at results like Milton but focus on the bigger regatta's, like Ottawa, TIDBF, Welland...etc.

Pineridge A ???
So one race, with a timing default causes them to enter the top 35 !!!

I just don't like the way they are not consistent to their own sceme. For instance. If Scotia's win at the island vaults them above everyone, why not above Huron? They beat Huron as well so shouldn't they be above Huron? This makes raising them up look silly.

I have other issues with the rankings but this one bothers me cause they just seem wishy washy?

Why didn't they raise Tempest up above some of the teams they beat at the island?

The rankers really don't seem to represent an informed list any more.

It's a tough job to order the top 35 teams!

I'm not even sure what list they go off....probably one their friends make up !!

Take it a easy on the ranking team.

Read the comments and see if you can see the merit of what is being said.
Most teams outside of the top three or four could likely understand being moved up or down a notch, regatta over regatta.

I think is is a good representation of the field.

I like the list of the teams waiting to crack the top thirty-five. That could become a nice intentive for those crews.

the power rankings are subjective so it's totally up to who they think is better.
something like the revised rankings are more appropriate. However, even that has it's faults becasue it takes into consideration races from last year.

Basically things change from year to year, and some teams actually improve. For those teams, that have didn't do so good last year it will take a year before their scores increase.

For this reason, i suggest that there should be a 4th ranking, with takes into consideraiton only 2004 races only and takes out all of the other races from 2003. Makes sense?

Yeah not crazy about this update.

As for ranking relative to past few performances, isn't that what the straight ranking is all about?

Scotia didn't move much after placing 3rd at GWN last year because they hadn't done much up to that point, but now they have placed high once again in another major festival, so they make the big jump. It's fair.

As for other places, it just shows how hard it is to crack the top 10, even the top 15. Hard to move anyone up without having to bump down a bunch of other teams that don't really deserve it. That kind of explains why some teams have an UP indicator next to them, when their placing actually went down. (MCC's re-entry and Cascades big jump are to blame for most of it)

All in all, I like the new rankings. A team like Tempest might deserve a little more credit after their big win at TIBRF, but like I said above, who do you move down? Hammerheads, who they beat at TIDBRF but lost to in Pickering? Big Fish? Same story. So despite their victory, they actually slip a notch.

Tough. Very tough.

Well what can you say, like the ranking team disclaimer said its subjective and purely for fun. While the top 15 seems pretty well thought out, the others are a lot more debatable. Some of the teams there are just because the rankers are familiar with them or have had press.

Look at the Mofos, team that people love to hate. They're what ranked 20th, and a team like the Gators 33rd, yet the Gators have posted better results at both Pickering and TIDBRF than them. Also, UC Dragons do they really belong? Always a good University team but does anyone really think they could beat teams like Riptide A, Shogun, Sinai, Wavecutters etc who did not make the power ranking list?

Like I said its for fun, and if you're not one of the regular A finalist, chances of being ranked are if you have good/bad press or the rankers are familiar with the team.

Look at us! No one knows about us, but let's self promote on the forum.

STOP WHINING. Just like in the GP Rankings, you earn your ranking by placing higher again and again. Want to move up? Place higher.

Losers.

Who says it's the gators who are whining? Someone else could easily note a problem and bring them up as an example.

You must thingk I'M a Gator now.

Just like the Mofo's, everybody talks about them so people assume they're big talkers.

Oh, now you think I'm a Mofo.

See how it goes?

I have to agree.
I don't paddle with the Gators, but have raced against them and other teams.
What are teams like UC Dragons and Pineridge even doing on thr list ??

No, I don't paddle for the Gators.

Ok seriously, who the HELL are the Gators.

Please, some mystery anonymous person TELL ME who they are and give detailed analyses of their past performance.

Hey FUCKTARD, my new favourite word from this forum, I don't paddle for the Gators so why the hell would I want to promote them?!

Like I said it subjective and its all for fun. That doesn't mean I can't point out IMO some misses!!! I just think that the bottom half of the teams the rankers are NOT that familiar with and therefore more chances for inconsistency with other people's thoughts.

Now FUCKTARD go on with your other conspiracy theories!!!

Why are you getting so defensive?

And how do you know about the lower division teams unless you're from one of them..like ooh..say, THE GATORS.

You're not the only team to try this funny business.

this forum is getting to be such that you can't mention a team name without either a) accused of being on that team or b) accused of being on the team that just loss to the mentioned team.

1:49/2:27/WHiner alert, guy - what team are you on? I want to be able to post a message and mention your team name so that people can think that that team is made up of a bunch of whiners.

I am going to have to agree with the upset guy and call you a f$%^tard. I haven't paddled with any team all year, but I just like to see how teams are doing and what these Rankings guys think; why can't some of us just be fans of the sport in general, and not into only our own teams, or fans of the elite teams?

We're not all trying to draw attention to our own teams by commenting on other teams, especially since there are lots of idiots like you out there to accuse people of it (the Mofo's on the other hand, should never have kept talking about their dumb website -any negative feedback from that is their own fault)

I think the main difficulty in ranking the bottom half of the top 35 teams is that there's a lot of inconsistency in their performances. To do a really good job would take a lot of time and who do you pick when teams beat each other at different events? To take the current example being discussed the Gators finished a whole division ahead of my team, the Mofos at Pickering and Center Island but in our only head to head races we beat them 2-0 (both at Stouffville). Neither team has been consistently better than the other over the whole season, and the same can be said for a lot of other teams. So it is not surprising that there will be disagreement when somebody actually orders the top 35 teams. My point is just that there is no single "correct" top 35 list because each team's performance changes over time.

If you care about the rankings and you think the rankings are way off it's ok to debate it on this forum without having to second guess what team everyone is on...isn't it? Even if that poster did paddle on the Gators would that have invalidated their point?

There has been a lot of inconsistent performances and there always is year after year. Some teams train differently for different regattas and so depending on what they are "peaking" towards, performances will vary from event to event. Many teams do not really visit this forum nor take the rankings to heart because of their individual team goals. The rankings are a decent measure for teams out there in how they are stacking up against other teams and I applaud the indivual or group of individuals who put forth the effort to do the evualations but they are in no a way a direct yardstick in which to truly rank these teams. And at times teams just have bad days. We're human we're allowed to. So people stop taking the rankings to heart just because you're team has not been ranked accordingly. Just enjoy and paddle hard and kick ass on the course next time. Just another incentive to paddle harder .

Well said Matt; and way to admit what team you are from. And I don't think that was a shameless attempt at getting your team some respect.

(Now I feel bad about the last bit I wrote about in my post about the Mofo's, but you guys shouldn't have... well forget it)

what's wrong with self promotion? it worked for Mohamed Ali. Is it OK if you call it pride? What are the advantages of promoting your team here anyway? Will you win more races?

As much as it pains me to agree with a Mofo, just kidding, that was definitely well put Matt.

There are going to be more inconsistent results or variance for bottom half of the top 35. Actually, didn't know Mofos beat Gators head to head. That changes my thoughts a little, teams should just be closer ranked then. But I'm sticking to my comment about UC, there's at least half dozen teams better than these guys at the moment.

And for the Anon who asked how I know how the Gators did. Its actually pretty simple, its called clicking on that data link, which is the spreadsheet the ranking team maintain.

Here are my Power Rankings for 21-30. This is based on the revised rankings. I ignore teams that have done less than 3 events, and look at who beat who head to head. In the case of a tie more recent events get preference.



11 Sudbury Chiropractic
12 Hammerheads
13 Verdun Team Adrenaline
14 Tempest
15 Big Fish Interactive
16 Piranhas Dragon Boat Club
17 Hanalei
18 Blades
19 Wongs Dragon Boat Club - Immortal Dragons
20 Rentshield Waterdragons
21 Thrusting Mojos
22 Mofos
23 Asian Dragons
24 Jetstart
25 Telus Mobility
26 Shogun Warriors
27 RipTide A
28 U of T University College - Water Dragons
29 Sinai Lightning
30 Silvermasters

yeah... doesn't make sense to have teams on there that have only done one race when others have done 3-5 already.

11 and Up Team Ranker,

You're joking right?

No RBC, CIBC or BMO? How could you possibly not have them in the top 30? Also, you'd have to swap Big Fish and Tempest since Big Fish won their only head-to-head meeting this year.

Not as easy as you thought to do the rankings, is it?

Look at me... I'm a dragonboater with my tight shorts and racing singlet. I've been paddling for 20 months and I know everything. Place my team higher in your rankings....complain...complain...complain.....


It's way easier to bitch about my ranking than actually train harder.....does talking about how my team should be ranked higher count as an aerobic activity? Cuz I could talk for hours about how we should be ranked higher......

Go team go....series....finish....head bob,,,,,,head bob.....ahh man we got shafted by the bad lane/boat/wash/wind/paddles

Opps almost sound like a marathoner there............

Glad to see that you haven't lost your sense of humor Archie.

Yes and I am sure Archie is on an A division team... CHUMP!

>"11 and Up Team Ranker,

>You're joking right?

>No RBC, CIBC or BMO? How could you possibly not have them in the top 30?"


They aren't in the revised rankings. Keep changing names or something I guess..
No fun when the rankers don't know your team presonally is it?


You may be right about Big and little fish.

Sorry I meant Big Fish vs Temptest (Not the P (Little Fish) Team). The P is is excellent also. Carry on!

Scotia Beach were 2nd (in lane 5) at GWN Ontario place, and 2nd at TIDBRF. At Pickering, a watered down version of the team were 4th. Scotia Beach should be ranked second, they have beaten Wongs on every occasion, and Huron on the one occasion they raced head to head.

I think ScotiaBeach's ranking is right on.
Wongs beat them in the final in Pickering, and they also beat them last year at GWN, putting them into the lane 5 for the final.
They lost to Huron last year, but they did beat Huron this year.
Speaking of the devil, does anyone know if Huron is coming to GWN this year?

In response to Pine Ridge A having a "default time" at Pickering to get them into the top 35, it should be noted that that team won the Belleville festival this weekend. Not so default after all.

Hey, you little classless piece of shit, get off the forum and back to summer school.

Okay, who want's to be the first to say it...

So what?