I see there are many teams from eastern and central Canada going out to Calgary to win a berth. How do you think these teams will rank vs the strong Western squads like False Creek and Gorging?

depends who's going. Where's the list?

It will be a battle for the top 3 .The FCRCC crew is mainly the B crew as the A crew is apparantly staying in Vancouver training to get ready for Australia but still will no doubt they will be strong . The Masters look strong and gave FCRCC a run for the money in Richmond winning the first 2 heats but they are also just going for the senior ccw spot and a chance for the top 3 in the Canadian Club Crew .Pacific Reach has pulled in some of their old crew members & gone outside to help out because they did not do so well in Alcan and ended up in the B division .Gorging will do better then they did in Vernon as they lost control of their boat numerous times because they were not used the the dreaded Dynasty boats .Without Warning will be somewhere in the pack but not sure they will make it into the top 3 .The Imperial Dragons are to show and I think they should do ok and the Piranha's ( spelling ) as well ....have a feeling they entered just to hopefully grab 1 of the remaining spots because they didn't feel they had a chance in their own divisions . Calgary Race club will also be there but somewhere towards the back of the pack,not enough experience and a new crew .Pond Scum from Sask has jumped in as well but they will end up back of the pack and entered as a seniors crew to go up against the Masters who more than likely will dominte them .I think they are just hoping to grab a leftover spot after its all over .Para huti & Yahoo ( are they entered )will be back of the pack,not enough strength to go against the Vancouver teams & TO teams

I see a team from Sudbury on the list. Who are they?

newbie!

Do the premiere teams need to wear them? And if so, will the officials allow racers to wear the inflating type?

EM

The Sudbury teams are the Chiros'... the placed 3rd behind Mayfair and GG's in the central race off. Who knows how they will race next to the western teams. They did beat the imps and pyranas (spelling) in To.

In the WCC's you do not need a PFD but not sure about the Canadian national club crews since it is new

Sudbury was surprisingly strong in Toronto... THey might represent the central region well... They always seem to pull something out of their hats

ok - good luck in Calgary Kerry!

There is nobody on SCC Team Chiro named Kerry

Who is Kerry? Who do you paddle for?

I paddle from OHDBC. I was just saying that the Chiro's did well at the race off even though they lost.

I'll add a comment to this thread:

This is our first opportunity to paddle in the western division and we are really looking forward to it. Losing the Central raceoff to Mayfair and G&G forced us to go out west to try to qualify, but it also gives us the opportunity to race head to head with the strong western teams - which we have wanted to do for quite a while. Congrats to Mayfair for really stepping it up this year. I would have loved to see False Creek and them go head to head.

Lets hope the weather is better than our Sudbury festival this year!

Congrats to them for taking the trip out West... and not giving up. True sportsmanship from the Chiro's Good luck in Calgary

WHat other teams from Ontario and Quebec are going? Any powerful squads?

Anyone have a list of competative teams?

Pacific Reach
FCRCC
Masters of D'zone ( formerly Roli Canada )
Gorging Dragons
Without Warning
Imp's
Chiro's
Pirana's
Pond Scum
Calgary Race Club
Para Huti
Yahoo ( I think )

FCRCC women
Montreal women


and it will be BUK's not Dynasty's unless you're racing the regular event

1 FCRCC
2 Gorging Dragons
3 Masters of D'Zone
4 Pacific Reach
5 Imperial Dragons
6 Chiro
7 Without Warning
8 Piranhas
9 Calgary Race Club
10 Pond Scum
11 Para Huti
12 Yahoo

Anyone notice that DBC scheduled its "National" Championships the same weekend as the Canoe/Kayak Nationals?

"August 11 2007, 9:30 PM"

Is obviously from the west

"August 11 2007, 10:12 PM"

Is obviously not from the west

Did anyone notice that CKC scheduled their nationals the same weekend as DBC nationals?

it levels the playing field so some ringers may not be aval to strengthen teams and they will have to rely on their pure crews

CKC is always on the same weekend, each august.

Calgary is always the same weekend... each August. Do you get my point? Niether DBC nor CKC consider each other when choosing sites or weekends. Two separate sports with some cross-over athletes who must make a choice. No biggie. Happens all the time with other similar sports.

Seriously, how many National Championships has there been in dragon boat and how many crews participate? There are how many racing in Calgary? There would be probably even less had it not been to qualify for club crews, which in itself is a joke.

This is the third one.

How exciting.

DBC intentionally chooses the date to correspond with CCA so none of the teams with flatwater paddlers can be competitive. In the long run, it'll hurt the sport since dragon boat nationals will never be considered an important race. They have to make it a qualifier or it'll just be the same teams who race at False Creek.

1 FCRCC
2 Chiro
3 Gorging Dragons
4 Imperial Dragons
5 Piranhas
6 Pacific Reach
7 Masters of D'Zone
8 Without Warning
9 Calgary Race Club
10 Pond Scum
11 Para Huti
12 Yahoo

Actually, CKC had nothing to do with it. the location was set years ago and the date was coordinated with the city of Calgary.

DBC re-scheduled an NTT one year because of a conflict with CKC nationals. They are sensitive to the issue. this one is purely logistics.

that being said, don't think flatwater paddlers care that much anymore anyway now that they aren't getting paid or subsidized and they realize they'll have to train together (a lot) to beat the top crews.

"hat being said, don't think flatwater paddlers care that much anymore anyway now that they aren't getting paid or subsidized and they realize they'll have to train together (a lot) to beat the top crews."

HA HA!

"1 FCRCC
2 Chiro
3 Gorging Dragons
4 Imperial Dragons
5 Piranhas
6 Pacific Reach
7 Masters of D'Zone
8 Without Warning
9 Calgary Race Club
10 Pond Scum
11 Para Huti
12 Yahoo"

i don't think pacific reach will be that far up there, and definately not higher than Masters of D'Zone. Probably end up below Without Warning, as well.
I'd like to see the FCRCC B team pushed and challenged by the east coast teams. I think each will make the other work that much harder to come in first.

Don't see Chiro's beating Gorging Dragons, sure if you look at times you'll be left with the impression that they are a sub 2:00 crew, but the reality is they've drawn good lanes and ridden buses all year long, unless they get a ride I think they'll be in tough to finish in the top 3.

Not to slag them, just an observation, In Toronto it took everything for there steerer to hold onto the Mayfair wash in both the heat and the final.

Same for them and Imperial in Ottawa

The Chiros were in lane 1 in Ottawa and had no competition in lane 2. I hear they are going to Calgary with their B squad. Probably because of the cost and ocmmitment involved in the trip out west. Apparantly they are still trying to fill their roster.

Did you see the lane setup in TO? There was 6m lane width and 5m ghost lanes between lanes. Wash riding would have been pretty difficult. And besides it looked like all the teams pretty much stayed to the center of their lanes.

"Did you see the lane setup in TO? There was 6m lane width and 5m ghost lanes between lanes. Wash riding would have been pretty difficult. And besides it looked like all the teams pretty much stayed to the center of their lanes."
LOL...no. I was there. I was riding.

"I hear they are going to Calgary with their B squad. Probably because of the cost and ocmmitment involved in the trip out west. Apparantly they are still trying to fill their roster."

How is that possible? Rosters need to be consistent from one race to another. Unless they didn't use all their roster spots in Ottawa, Stoffville and at Marilyn Bell altogether.

I think you get to change up to six names on your roster. if they raced with the same roster at all those events they could conceivably replace six people and still be in compliance with the rules. Still, that wouldn't exactly be a 'B' team.

You can actually change more than 6 people. You can have up to 30 paddlers on your roster, which would mean a team could have ran with 22 names on their roster and changed up to 8 while still keeping their 6 eligible changes for next year. People need to start thinking outside the box.
As for TO... this was the course where the worlds were held last year which means there were ghost lanes and the depth was even across the field. The top three teams each held on to their own lanes and raced professionally.

We'll see whose tail wags what dog down the road. All I can say is that DBC doesn't give a **** about CKC and their nationals weekend. Not sure it goes both ways. Especially for Canmas organizers which is CKC's cash cow.

"You can actually change more than 6 people. You can have up to 30 paddlers on your roster, which would mean a team could have ran with 22 names on their roster and changed up to 8 while still keeping their 6 eligible changes for next year."

There is no changing. You have a maximum of 30 roster spots. Each time a new name appears it takes one of the 30 spots. Once you hit 30 names you can no longer add.

Wouldn't smart teams keep a minimal roster so that they have the option to play around? As long as you do not exceed your max of 30 names you are alrigth. Once a name is on of course you can't ommit them but that gives room to play.

As for the CKC... I'm glad DBC has scheduled this event at the same time. This allows the sport to grow without throwing flatties in the equation. Pick one sport if this bothers you.

Bring on the central and eastern teams... you have not seen what the west coat can do.

Actually it's Miss Manager.

I think Toronto CCWC showed everyone that the west is strong. The smart money is on the West likely taking 2 if not all 3 of the available spots.

I think the Toronto CCWC showed that False Creek is strong. Were there any other western crews that raced?

That said, the crews traveling from Ontario to Calgary aren't the best crews Ontario has, so I won't be surprised to see western crews take the spots.

"Bring on the central and eastern teams... you have not seen what the west coat can do."

I've heard about this west coat. It'spretty good!! Apparently they get a lot of rain out on the west coast....so the coat helps keep you dry.

if there's rain, it's a wet coat....

"That said, the crews traveling from Ontario to Calgary aren't the best crews Ontario has, so I won't be surprised to see western crews take the spots."

Aren't the Chiros ranked third behind Mayfair and G&G? Aren't Mayfair and G&G some kind of super teams? I realize there's been some speculation about what type of team the Chiros are bringing, but wouldn't this information suggest that the Chiros are pretty good? Pardon me for being ignorant about the situation, but I'm west coat wearer.

With a little more than one week away, why don't all the teams focus on their racing rather than talk **** on here. Next Sat and Sun will dictate who's who and who does what in this Dragon Boat world.
Let the races begin!!!!

geez fernando, I thought I was just asking a legitimate question. Guess I should know better.

"I think the Toronto CCWC showed that False Creek is strong. Were there any other western crews that raced?"

The Masters of D'Zone ( Roli ) took silver in the Seniors 500 mtr ( losing the the CDN Seniors but placing ahead of Eat Trout ) and bronze in the 2000 mtr at the 06 club crews

Chiros are a very good team. However, at the Toronto trials they had paddlers from Collingwood, Toronto, and a flattie from North Bay. I don't know whether the crew will be pure Sudbury paddlers, or whether these additional paddlers are part of their Calgary roster.

I think there is a substantial gap between crews like Mayfair and G&G, and the Chiros. In Sudbury, where there was no wash riding in the final, Chiros were open water behind Mayfair.

Mayfair is also a good team composed of paddlers from Sudbury and the GTA

Just for the record, the flattie that the Chiro's have is a Sudbury Resident and member of the Sudbury Canoe Club. His coach is located in North bay therefore he commutes.

Who on Mayfair is from Sudbury? That's kinda funny... why wouldn't they want to paddle with the Sudbury teams? In a non funded sport that doesnt make clear financial sense to me. Pretty stupid actually

Stupid ?
If you want to make the National Team...paddle with Jim.

Stupid ?
If you want to paddle with Jim....make the National Team

Facts are facts

Mayfair recruited from the strongest teams. Sudbury was among them. Period. Stupid is not knowing the facts.

Mayfair recruited paddlers ?
At last the comment of the year.....
Mayfair went and built a purpose built National Level crew...opps
Sorry, they all train together so they are really a Club Crew.

Save your breath - and your fingers. west coast is gonna kick yo ass.

Since Mayfairs coach is also the coach of the Seniors they basically borrowed from that team to help out

1 FCRCC
2 Gorging Dragons
3 Masters of D'Zone

This would be my guess at the top 3. Also, I understand they will be racing in BuKs instead of the Dynasty DB, which will be used for the rest of the Calgary DB Festival.

Jim is a porch monkey...just look at him enough said

beyond me why this has to deteriorate to personal insults to individuals!

What does this have to do with the Calgary race-off? Start a "slag Mayfair and coach" tread if you want to, but let's stay on topic here.

No... i have paddled for JIm and this is true. I have competed on a International level in many water disciplines and he is honestly cruel. I dont need to prove myself anymore... i've made it.

HUH?

Yes, 1 person from Sudbury is on the Mayfair crew. Seems she was not welcome on the Sudbury crew because of participation on a national crew. She had to race someplace - may as well be the best place.

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

"1 FCRCC
2 Gorging Dragons
3 Masters of D'Zone

This would be my guess at the top 3. Also, I understand they will be racing in BuKs instead of the Dynasty DB, which will be used for the rest of the Calgary DB Festival."

Yeah, but Masters of D'Zone are, like the name suggests, competing in the masters category. I agree with you on the first two, but who do you think will be the 3rd crew to grab a premier mixed sanction to go to Malaysia? I think it'll be tight between the Chiros and Pacific Reach, who are no longer racing as a masters crew.

The masters will be racing the cdn clubs just like everyone else for placing but the difference comes in the WCC placing .They could place in the top 3 in the cdn's and then also win the WCC seniors spot which would mean a forth place team in the cdn's could be the third team for the WCC premier spot

Are you confused yet ?

no, makes perfect sense. Thanks.

i dont think you have to worry about the Masters coming in 3rd.

Yes your right ,they could be first or second possibly

"Yes your right ,they could be first or second possibly"

Yes, if you are talking about a consolation final in Ontario.

You guys are having way too much fun at your desks.

I hope the Uber out-of-town teams are racing in the regular divisions with the rest of the unwashed folk, in addition to the competitive rounds. It would be interesting to see some of the Dynasty-inexperienced steerspeople try to navigate the boats down the course.

We'd love to try em. Hopefully the Calgary folks will let us take one out for a spin

"Yes, if you are talking about a consolation final in Ontario"

I love paddlers from teams that have no idea what the f**k they are talking about .You stay at home never venture out to race in other parts of the country and then you talk the smack .I think you may be in for a bit of a reality check

That was exactly my point.

While you forecast all the Eastern and Central teams to finished below the Western teams...

How black are the Pots and Kettles over there?

Hey 3:39: "I love paddlers from teams that have no idea what the f**k they are talking about .You stay at home never venture out to race in other parts of the country and then you talk the smack .I think you may be in for a bit of a reality check"

Let me guess, you are an "experienced" paddler that has been on "highly competitive teams". You have raced many times at the "natioanl and international" level. You are on a "competitive" team that "will be in Calgary". You have first hand knowledge of the teams in Western and Eastern Canada because you regularly compete with and against them.

You believe the Masters will be 1st to 3rd. Some dont think so.

They will throw it down in Calgary in 2 weeks and we will see.

Sorry for my ignorance on 2008 CCWC Penang...

but calgary (western & national race off), and others are racing to represent canada as club crews.

is canada just sending "mixed" & mixed seniors from the different regions (plus the national), or is canada sending crews for all these races from each region (plus the national):
* Penang International Open Race In Big Boats
* Penang International Open Race In Small Boats
* Penang International Women Race In Big Boats
* Penang International Women Race In Small Boats
* Penang International Mixed Race In Big Boats
* Penang International Mixed Race In Small Boats
* Penang International Junior Race In Big Boats
* Penang International Junior Race In Small Boats
* Penang International Senior Open Race In Big Boats
* Penang International Senior Open Race In Small Boats
* Penang International Senior Mixed Race In Big Boats
* Penang International Senior Mixed Race In Small Boats
* Penang International Breast Cancer Survivors Race In Big Boats
* Penang International Breast Cancer Survivors Race In Small Boats

someone once told me, but i forgot.

Where is the link to the penang races? Small boat -whats this?

Also, I saw last year in toronto the Chinese (I think) practicing the kneeling dragonboat race style. Wow!!!! Pretty cool. Is this going to be the thing in Penang?

Canada sends up to 5 crews for each racing class (senior men, premier women, mixed junior) and these crews compete in all distances for their respective racing cla