Which teams are doing the race off at the Quebec Cup for the Mix , Open and Women and Senior Open

Everyone who wasn't at GWN.

When is the Quebec Cup?
Is there a link?

http://www.22dragons.com/coupequebec_2007.php

Are the Beast going this year?
Who are the other big names going/

A good verdun crew jacked with a few imports might make the beast go harder then 80%. Beasts will walk this.

Why do people (who probably don't or will never paddle) come on this forum and say that this team or that team will easily win! Try paddling at more than 60% for 2 min and you'll know that no race is easy! It's one thing to make it look easy that some teams do, but it's not that easy!

Yes they might win with open water, but your work your ass off to do that! If your not your just a passenger in the boat!

Everyone's got imports.... G&G is team import.

The teams in the popular categories we're sending to club crews are probably faster then our national teams were 6-8 years ago.

How many Beasts are in Australia at Worlds?

Sport - Division

BMO Groupe financier
3R Cobras
CSBD-Magic
Dragon Beasts
Dragons Hydro-Québec
Genatec
Half Row
Les Hyperactifs
Les Pics Bois
3R Michel Pellerin Architecte
Montreal Thunder
Paddle Demons A
Pointe Claire Dragonflyers Mixed
Rage against the river
RBC Comets
Taifun
Verdun DBC - Adrenaline
Verdun DBC - Express
Wongs DBC

I gues this is what happens when you can't qualify outside your region.

Being the same weekend as sydney with 300 athletes over there probably doesn't help.

80 crews from quebec is pretty good.

Here we go:
Dragon Beasts
Verdun DBC - Adrenaline
3R Michel Pellerin Architecte
Wongs DBC
Genatec (If this is what is left of Telus?)
BMO Groupe financier

Paddle Demons A
3R Cobras
Les Hyperactifs
Half Row
Pointe Claire Dragonflyers Mixed
Les Pics Bois

RBC Comets
Montreal Thunder
Dragons Hydro-Québec
CSBD-Magic







Rage against the river

Taifun
Verdun DBC - Express

How the hell do the Beasts win this qualifier with all the people they had in Australia? I heard they had 8 or 9 away! Credit to them and their depth.
Congrats guys! Good luck in Malaysia.

Malaysia should be some show down with The Beasts, Mayfair, Chiro, False Creek and Gorgin! In the end, the best 5 teams in the country earned the berths.

"In the end, the best 5 teams in the country earned the berths."

Hard to argue with that.

No Ontario Teams?

-or were there

Props to the Matts for running a great event.

I've gotta say, the video replay after the race, and DVD set you could take home for a mere $20 was amazing. It was more nerve racking to watch your race afterwards than actually racing it. Anyways, good job thinking out of the box and making something that most festival providers would view as an impossiblity happen.

...lookout Beasts. Now we can watch the video and learn your secrets. Although I guess 20 years of flat water paddling and being able to bench 300 lbs isn't really much of a secret

I didn't see any ontario teams there; just dragon beast owning everyone despite missing almost half their boat. A sheer display of dominance. Same could be said for the Montreal Women's DBC (who were also missing alot of people). It was just ridiculous seeing them starting last and finish first in the 2k by a couple of boats.

Mahjongg Men looked really good the whole weekend against men's crew; they are also opening up their club to tryouts with a B and C team, with every spot on the main roster going to Malaysia on the line also. That will tempt many strong paddlers from both the canal and the basin. I wouldn't be surprised that all three teams end up owning the Quebec podiums next year.

Just a very beautiful weekend with sun and some wind; very well run and the video idea was sheer brilliance. About the same number of teams as last year (79) but it just seems like this event has taken a huge step forward. It wouldn't surprise me that next year they easily break the century mark in teams participating, especially with that video promoting lachine canal (great marketing ploy; doesn't quite reflect reality though). Only thing though; they got to bring in bracelets to check teams. There some obvious stacking on B teams (not that it really mattered in the end but still, it's the principle).

Besides that, what a Quebec Cup; it'd also be nice to see more Ontario and out of province teams.

Most entertaining team of the weekend; the 3r men who all wore suits to come paddle. They finished second everytime to the Mahjongg though; surprising because most of them are marathon canoers I think. Very strong women's and mixte teams under the names of wash machiens and michelle pelerin architect.

There were teams there from Ontario, just not in the race-off. The Paddle Demons are from Ottawa, and they had 2 crews there. Don't know if there were any others?

Some fun 2k's on the weekend. Lots of excitement...couple of crashes, tips etc and some good steering by the coaches...

WOW! great race over the weekend.

Loved the video review. The weather being beautiful didn't hurt either.

I loved the size of the event. This event will surely grow, but hopefully not too much. I'd hate to see races reduced. The format is great.

So the Beasts won the mixed entry from the East?

DQ the Paddle Demon Men???

Way to read your own rules. This race was even video taped, which will clearly show Les Brutes trying to pass in a turn.

5.6.7. Teams must maintain their position in a turn. It is forbidden to pass during a turn.

I guess the pressure to keep the teams from Quebec in the race was too great.

I was in that race in the beginning so I didn't see what happened but everyone seem to agree that paddle demons were wide in the turn and les Brutes had the inside lane.

I don't think you would have been DQed because of that but it's because you guys lost control and then blocked the 3R men who were going really strong.

It's pretty unfortunate what happened but yeah it just goes to show that the 2k is just crazy and that there should be more of them.

"This race was even video taped, which will clearly show Les Brutes trying to pass in a turn."

Post it, please!

I want one of the Matts to explain the DQ decision. Plain and simple. How does what happened end up with the Paddle Demons being DQ'ed and the other teams involved getting nothing, not even a time penalty? It just doesn't make sense.

"I was in that race in the beginning so I didn't see what happened but everyone seem to agree that paddle demons were wide in the turn and les Brutes had the inside lane."

But if you take the inside lane you have to be able to make the turn, not cut it way too sharp and not be able to turn in time.

"I don't think you would have been DQed because of that but it's because you guys lost control and then blocked the 3R men who were going really strong."

Not sure they lost control - pretty much got untangled with the Brutes and were sitting ducks for a boat moving as fast as 3R.

"But if you take the inside lane you have to be able to make the turn, not cut it way too sharp and not be able to turn in time."

Everyone who saw it said that they were making the turn fine until the paddle demons cut into P-O as he was making his turn in the inside lane.

"Not sure they lost control - pretty much got untangled with the Brutes and were sitting ducks for a boat moving as fast as 3R."

My drummer for my mixte team told me they were blocking the way for the 3r men after getting untangled. While they were tangled, P-O was nudging them so he could get his boat away and I think he recovered his top speed much faster than the Paddle Demons.

From the rules: "Safety shall be the single most important guiding principle when racing the 2000m. All steerspersons are to avoid collisions at all costs, even if the fault lies with the other crew. Failure to do so may result in immediate disqualification of the negligent crew."

The Paddle Demons were cut off in a turn, tangled with another crew for about 20-30 metres, then when free from that team got spun out by another team when hit from behind. According to the rules, the 3R team should have tried "at all costs" to avoid hitting the Paddle Demons, which they clearly didn't do, yet the Paddle Demons were the ones disqualified. Where did the 3R steersperson think the Paddle Demons boat could go? It's not "hit to pass". The Demons were stuck with another team on the inside, the only way to break free from that team is to move more outside, which is when the second collison occured, sending the Demons into the shore (lucky there was a dock there otherwise the boat would've hit rocks, as it was, spectators had to jump out of the way). IMO, the 3R steersperson was at fault for that collision and they should have received some kind of penalty at the very least a time penalty, but no, nothing.

My drummer for my mixte team told me they were blocking the way for the 3r men after getting untangled.

How do you block a boat when you at going down the course?

All this is pretty moot, as the rules state no passing in a turn.

"How do you block a boat when you at going down the course?"

I'm assuming they spun out of control were at a 135 degree or more angle instead of being straight.

The rulebook says no passing on turns? I've never seen it applied then; the most exciting part of the 2k, some might say it's raison d'etre is the passes on turns. It'd make an awfully boring race.

Thought I saw a fight almost break out during the colision.

40 Men jacked up with adrenaline in two colliding boats. Not a good idea.

The 3R steer did try to avoid and move to the outside and then back in, but a boat going 90 degrees to the course is hard to avaoid coming out of a turn. Not sure whay they were Dq'd, but could have been for attacking the other team?????

Sounds like this is becoming the New York thread here...

you can pass in a turn, just need to hold your line. so...if a team goes wide and leaves the inside open, then take it. Steerers just need to be smart and work together. The women's race was fine and lots of passing.

Let's make this interesting...

7 boats, only 1 team from Ontario. That boat is hit twice, and spun off the race course into the shore. While turning around to get back on course to finish the race, that team is "booed" from some spectators (3R supporters?). Upon returning to the docks (last, of course) all the other teams that were cheering for each other at the docks (showing great community support), suddenly vanish upon the disembarking of said Ontario crew. Nice.

"The 3R steer did try to avoid and move to the outside and then back in, but a boat going 90 degrees to the course is hard to avaoid coming out of a turn."

The boats were well past the turn. It looked like the Demons were going about 10-20 degrees of course after having pushed off the other boat. Don't know how 3R wasn't able to avoid them. I guess they didn't want to go near the Brutes and risk going between the crews?

The DQ had to do with the actions of a paddle demon paddler toward the other crew. Something along the lines of a paddle being used as a weapon. Unsportsmanlike conduct.

The paddle demons are a great crew and nice bunch of guys. Unfortunately there was one bad apple in the boat who is not a regular member.

Was the bad apple from Ontario? Couldn't be. He must have been a Kwebecker.

Where were the refs for all this? Shouldn't the infracting boat have been disqualified and told to stop paddling?

The refs were all there, but the event was hidden and came to light after the event. Both crews confirmed the actions.

Didn't the second collision happen as a result of the first? I'm talking about the first collision.

First collision was the fault of PD. while les brutes took a wide turn PD bounced into them twice. The actual 3R/PD collision that resulted afterwards was the fault of both crews. PD was off course and cutting 3R off, and 3R could have stopped to avoid the collision.

The first was actually the fault of the Brutes, trying to pull off a tight turn but being unable to finish by staying on the inside. The video will show all anyways.

I spoke to Matt.

The DQ was for unsportsmanlike from one paddler on the paddle demons.

That's it. Matt said all the other stuff didn't matter.

He also stressed the fact that the paddler in question was not a regular member of the team.

as one of the Paddle Demons, i would like to emphasize once again, the individual that got a little "pumped up" was indeed not one of our regular paddlers. but to end on a positive note, we had a great time at this event, it was an awesome end to our season. see you next year!

So who won all the raceoffs in each of the categories?

Chiros are not better than G&G. Good for them to head to Calgary to earn their berth. Major timing conflicts (CKC)prevented G&G from being able to do that.

Who's talking about G&G and why?

Over and done, man.

"So who won all the raceoffs in each of the categories?"

Mahjongg Men won against 3R men (a clean and clear win but it was competitive) and Montreal's senior men won against Cascade Seniors (not even close.)

The beasts took verdun.

The races were closer them most thought. very strong times by both crews. At 2:03 (good for shallow basin), both crews bettered the beasts time of 2:04 from last year. 3R was 2:05.

Big improvements by both verdun and 3R.

Are the Beasts going to go to Malaysia next year? I know the majority of the team was in Aussy this year? High costs implications wtih two big years.

What would the cost generally be, to finance a typical expedition such as these?

I'd say 3-4k a person.... 80k for the team.

Throw in another 20k for the beast's alcohol budget.

Yeah the races between verdun and dragonbeast were much closer than last year but that can be explained by verdun's marked improvement from last year the beasts missing half of their boat almost to australia. 3r was always a team to be feared, they're all marathon canoers I think but they were wildly inconsistent. They're an A team when they feel like it. At montreal fest they screwed up their semi-final and somehow foudn themselves in D final. They then got pissed and serious and won the D final with a time that would have placed them 3rd or 4th in the A final.

Was the "bad apple" from MAD??

"They then got pissed and serious and won the D final with a time that would have placed them 3rd or 4th in the A final."

Oh please. Not that crap again.

Legit question. Can someone confirm that the Beasts qualified and are awarded Malaysia? If most of their team was in Oz, how did they manage to qualify their roster? Also, given that there is an 8 paddler change rule from your qualifying team to the team that goes to Malaysia, how is that going to work for the Beasts? Same question could be asked of FCRCC who had some A people in their boat in Calgary I hear.

I smell a **** disturber.

Oh and two more things:

1. Go Mofos
2. Go MAD

You can have up to 30 on your roster. If the Beasts had a 30 person roster and 8 or 9 were away, that would leave 21 or 22 to race at QC.

Of course, most teams wouldn't have that kind of depth to pull that off - credit to them.

I imagine it's the same for FCRCC.