There is no guaranttee that she will catch up in seclusion either!

Andrea: You wrote,
>>Some kids can't catch up though. My friend's daughter is mainstreamed but can't catch up with math - she's got a bona fide learning disability>>
This would be my son. I can tell you right now. Even if you give him hundred hours of one to one coaching, he will not become as fluent in reading, writing, comprehension or in conversational skills like the rest of his class mates in a regular ed. class room!!

Because his nature genes set a limit on his learning capacities in verbal skills. Non-verbally he learns thru watching kids in several other useful non-academic things. His functional adaptive receptive skills have been improving for 8 years, which he is losing this year, ever since they put him in self container. He learn about his money counting etc in "Algebra" class, when other normal kids are learning
Pythagorean Theorum!! LOL:)

I have no problem w that. Because I do remember that my son is difft and has a severe learning disorder due to his autism!! It is not a reflection of my math or my skills as a mom, if he can't catch iup w them. But the resource teacher has to do her job, provide his IEP goals/obj etc, in an adapted format, so that he shares the same room area and work side by aide w them, learns to be quiet, sit when they all sit, stand when they all stand, transition when they are, play w them as much as he can, eat lunch w them, watch music Christmas concerts w them in auditorium, comply w general public behaviors, use toilet w assistance, do work and play w a para'a assistance! That is my goal for him.

I am not grieving about his learning difficulties or disability at all. I am grieving about "how certain indls can discriminate him, exclude him socially, and treat him as a "prisoner" by putting him in a selfcontainer.

I have seen several adult disabled people, who can't be seen in any malls or any place outside, but kept inside a selfcontainer, because the adults around them are not comfortable. They are ashamed of them! Inclusion is for trg "public behaviors". Keep your clothes on. Keep your hands and feet to yourself. Keep your mouth shut, when needed. Son't talk too loud, use inside voice like Babybop says...LOL:)

In special rec swimming: The adults and kids share the same common lockers. My son was trained to stay inside his bed room to change and never come out of the room unless he is fully clothed. This is a very important trg for trhe disabled autistic person child! But when he saw them walking around naked, (What a visual learner he is) the day he came home after swimming, he started to walk around the house naked! Those adults and teens were all disabled. They did not use the indl
stalls or rooms to get dressed! My son does learn things by watching! I have millions of examples to give you. But I won't waste my time here.

Thanks for your thoughts Andrea. Inclusion is just a dream and Bible does not allow it, it seems like!