На този ден през 1912 г. с царски указ е формирано Македоно-одринско опълчение начело с ген. Никола Генев



23 септември 2007 | 02:20 | Агенция "Фокус"



На този ден през 1912 г. с царски указ е формирано Македоно-одринско опълчение начело с ген. Никола Генев и с началник-щаб майор Петър Дървингов в състав 6 дружини от по 212-215 души: Солунска, Скопска, Дебърска, Битолска, Одринска и Охридска. През октомври са сформирани още 6 дружини: Велешка, Костурска, Кумановска, Прилепска, Сярска и Лозенградска и 12-те дружини са групирани в три бригади с командири полковниците Стоян Николов, Александър Протогеров и Антон Пчеларов. На 12 април 1913 г. са формирани още три дружини: Кукушка, Воденска и Щипска. Македоно-одринското опълчение е доброволческа част, участваща в състава на Българската армия по време на Балканската война 1912-1913 г. и Междусъюзническата война 1913 г. Формирано е в София по инициатива на Изпълнителния комитет на Македоно-одринските братства. Включва българи от Македония и Одринско, които не се числят в запаса на Българската армия. Създадените дружини се поставят под командването на българските офицери ген. Н. Генев, подполк. Ал. Протогеров и майор П. Дървингов. При започването на Балканската война 1912-1913 г. численият му състав достига 14 670 души войници и офицери. Включено е в състава на Кърджалийския отряд, действа в помощ на Българската армия в района на Мъстанли (днес Момчилград), Гюмюрджина и Дедеагач. Отличава се в сраженията с турските войски при Шаркьой. До края на Балканската война численият му състав нараства с още 3 дружини. След подписването на Лондонския мирен договор от 1913 г. е прехвърлено в Македония. По време на Междусъюзническата война 1913 г. участва в сражения със сръбски и черногорски войски при Злетово, Маркова стъпка и др. В двете войни дава убити 720 души и над 3500 ранени и изчезнали по бойните полета. След края на Междусъюзническата война напуска Македония и на 7 август 1913 г. е разформировано в София.

22 September 2007 | 08:06 |


On this day in 1908 the ‘St. Forty Martyrs’ church in the Bulgarian town of Veliko Tarnovo proclaimed the independence of Bulgaria. By this Bulgaria rejects its vassal dependency from the Ottoman Empire, regulated by the Berlin Contract (1878)
Various events will be organized for the occasion.
The Chairman of the Bulgarian Parliament Georgi Pirinski is to take part in an official tattoo ceremony in the town of Veliko Tarnovo. The Mayor of Sofia Boyko Borisov will open at 11 am local time a monument of the Independence in the capital. The monument was constructed on initiative of the National Association Mati Bolgaria.
At 11 am the Mayor of the Municipality of Karlovo will open a bas-relief of Col. Petar Dimkov.
At 12 am representatives of VMRI-BND will give away 1,000 Bulgarian national flags to citizens of Veliko Tarnovo.
The day will be celebrated in the Municipality of Asenovgrad by a concert, organized by the Municipality at 5.30 pm.

You people have to learn history... the first ORGANISATION for the Macedonians was the MRO(MPO cyrillic) Macedonian Revolutionary Organisation which later became the IMRO(BMPO cyrillic) Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organisation.

The BMARC, SMARO and IMARO are offshoots of it.


Please get this straight.

Origins and goals
The organization was founded in 1893 in Ottoman Thessaloniki by a group of Bulgarian exarchist revolutionaries from Macedonia led by Hristo Tatarchev, Dame Gruev, Petar Pop-Arsov, Andon Dimitrov, Hristo Batandzhiev and Ivan Hadzhinikolov

written in bulgarian-ama ti si gi znaes tee raboti nali taka
samo da ti napomna

3 years later it s allready BMARC aide piperka -all ur history is writen in bulgarian--how come

bre creten--even the inscription on the flag you show here is in bulgarian -tell me -what is the feeling all ,,your'' history to be written in literar bulgarian

yes my boy--what u say is true.we are descendants both of the slavs and protobulgarians and we r proud to speak slavic and bear bulgarian name.furthermore-we r not an exclusive nation in europe on this matter.just like the french-who have germanic name [old franks]but speak latin laguage,the russians -who also have germanic name[nordik tribe rusi]-but speak slavic,or croits-who bear iranian name[skitian tribe horovati] but are slavs too.DO YOU TEACHERS TEACH YOU THAT WE HAVE SOME PROBLEM WITH THIS-HAHA.IN FACT -U HAVE A PROBLEM.AND YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU ARE DESCENDANTS OF THE SAME BULGARO-SLAVIC EMPIRE -BUT EXTREMELY WANT NOT TO BE--RAZBIRAS LI.U PUT ALL YOUR EFFORTS INTO THIS-TO PROVE YOU ARE DIFFERENT,BUT NOT SUCCESSFULY UNTILL NOW.
AS ABOUT YOUR SLAVNESS-LOOK THE RESULTS PUBLISHED IN THE ,,GENETIC HISTORY OF EUROPE''CONSIDERINGTHE GENOM RTA1-AS CALLED SLAVIC GENOM

Genetic origins
See also Genetic history of Europe and articles on particular haplogroups.
The modern Slavic peoples come from a wide variety of genetic backgrounds, attesting the complexity of the ethnogenetic processes in Eastern Europe . The frequency of Haplogroup R1a[1] ranges from 63.39% by the Sorbs, 56.4% in Poland and 54% in Ukraine, to 15.2% in Macedonia, 14.7% in Bulgaria and 12.1% in Herzegovina. [3] [4] Haplogroup R1a may be connected to the spread of Proto-Indo-Europeans (see Kurgan hypothesis for more information).

OK-15.2IN UR BLOOD AND 14.7 IN MINE HAHAH WELL I AGREE HERE U R 0.5% MORE SLAV THAN ME--POZDRAV MY SLAVIC BROTHER

Leaving aside the small nags and starting to talk seriously, The organization was founded in 1893 in Solun by Hristo Tatarchev, Dame Gruev, Petar Pop-Arsov, Andon Dimitrov, Hristo Batandzhiev and Ivan Hadzhinikolov – you all know this fact

MRO was the name given firs by Hristo Tatarchev

Ivan Hadzhinikolov points the five basic principles of the MRO's foundation:

1.The revolutionary organization should be established within Macedonia and should act there, so that the Greeks and Serbs couldn't label it as a tool of the Bulgarian government.

2.Its founders should be locals and living in Macedonia.

3.The political motto of the organization should be the autonomy of Macedonia.

4.The organization should be secret and independent, without any links with the governments of the liberated neighborly states

5.From the Macedonian emigration in Bulgaria and the Bulgarian society, only moral and material help for the struggle of the Macedonian revolutionaries should be required

In Dame's memoirs, the MRO's goals are as follows:

We grouped together and jointly worked out a statute. It was based on the same principles: demand for the implementation of the Berlin Treaty. The statute was worked out after the model of the Bulgarian revolutionary organisation before the Liberation. Our motto was "Implementation of the resolutions of the Berlin Treaty". We established a "Central Committee" with branches, membership fees, etc. Swearing in for each member was also envisaged. In the regulations there was nothing concerning the Serbian propaganda but we intended to counteract it by enlightening the people. [3]

Hristo Tatarchev wrote:

We talked a long time about the goal of this organization and at last we fixed it on autonomy of Macedonia with the priority of the Bulgarian element. We couldn't accept the position for "direct joining to Bulgaria" because we saw that it would meet big difficulties by reason of confrontation of the Great powers and the aspirations of the neighbouring small countries and Turkey. It passed through our thoughts that one autonomous Macedonia could easier unite with Bulgaria subsequently and if the worst comes to the worst, that it could play a role as a unificating link of a federation of Balkan people. The region of Adrianople, as far as I remember, didn't take part in our program, and I think the idea to add it to the autonomous Macedonia came later.

All these and more facts you can find if you study initial documents for MRO's foundation.

I personally do not see any drama in fact that MRO is founded from pro-bulgarian orientated revolutionaries from Macedonia.

Its high time to stop with the meaningless discussions and both sides to face the reality and start to talk normally for the common history, respecting each others feelings

Just like the Macedonians speak a Slavic langauge but retain the Macedonian name

hahah-yes u retained the makedonian name -with a little interruption of 2000 years and in the the last 1000 of them u were called bulgarians .so when we hear bulgarian we suppose to understand,,makedonian''right.ok -perfect logic.you know i am right-u and i-both we have same ancestry.i can show you proper scientific researches wich show that u have even more mongoloid genes than we have.but why researches--just look at the eyes of karolina goceva and tose proevski-they will tell u more ..we r same ,,testo,,my boy,same ppl-same blood.it s your problem if deny it. and stop delete my posts.whats wrong whit the article about dimitar talev-stop show ur intelectual helplesness--makedonia is changing.must understand this

hha ha e hubavo--aide barem sicki da ti vidat kulturata.so do you have some arguments to prove me wrong instead of all those insults.mnogo los advertisement pravis i na sebe si i na ideiata koiato zastitavas...you are not a man who deserves respect. here u say and write things wich u wouldnt say directly in my face.just a full of complexes kid expresing his agression in the net-not the first neither the last one........

Arabe, iskam da kazvas ti, kak da poshtovam teb kogato sicki p't goliami lagi zborvas za Makedonija? Kak da drzhim govor so teb? Have a look at all the idiotic things you have written here about my people, a sega od men ciakas r'ka? Ajde bre, da ti kazham po moj govor, duri da se nauchite kako da ne poshtovate ko lugje ke prodolzhime nie protiv vas, znai si go toa, all negative feelings of Macedonians towards Bulgarians are created by your side, not mine.

Razbiras bre, vakvi budalstva treba da se zaprat, kako nekoi si "bugarsko malcinstvo" vo albania, lele, pamti gi zboroite na albanskiot vladeec: "Vo Albania NEMA bugarsko malcinstvo, IMA samo Makedonsko malcinstvo"

I taka natamu, I taka natamu, ko ke bidis spremen i normalen, ke zborame pak.

Za nea nie se borime, za nea nie umreme, Makedonija, 20 Juli

As for arguments to prove you wrong, for what, those bogus vmro "statutes"? Aj dosta bre, no dates, no specifics, nishto.

And I would say everything I say here to your face, za to ne beri si gajle, prashanjeto e dali ti mene ke mi se toporis v lice kako sho se zakanuvas tuka?

Za nea nie se borime, za nea nie umreme, Makedonija, 20 Juli

Deyan: [I personally do not see any drama in fact that MRO is founded from pro-bulgarian orientated revolutionaries from Macedonia.]

All those revolutionaries who founded the organisation were schooled via the exarchate, this has to be taken into consideration to understand why they said and did some things.

Za nea nie se borime, za nea nie umreme, Makedonija, 20 Juli

hahaha kak moze da si takav sersem be mladez.oti prikazvas gluposti ta mekaras da se smeia.az li da doida v australia ili ti ke dodes pri mene.aide ako sakas doidi mi jas ke ti dam i adress i sicko pa ke te cekam-aide da ti vidim erbapluka hahah.ako pak ne sakas -send me then invitation i ll come and we ll arrange a fight but only between me and you hahah.samo da znaes che polse tepaneto mnogo mi se iade -so i would have some demands-food ,drinks accomodation so on.same if u come here.i preffer u to come -aide da se vidime sakas li:)

LOL, and you are supposed to be the older and more mature one, inviting me to come half way across the world to fight you? HAHAHAHA, bre bugar, ni na malio prst ne mi mozis ti bre, al se gleda deka ti sakas da se tepas so mene, lol, ti?

Shte bidem u Makedonija v idnata godina, ako iskas sreshtame se v grada Ohrida, pa togai shte vidime kakav "hrabar" m'zh si ti bre, ta da ti doidi v umot che ti si samo prost b'lgarin, a az, az s'm Makedonec bre tatare, i shte naucham te pak kak da poshtovash Makedonec kak tvoite pradeda b'lgari Dogovoreno?

Za nea nie se borime, za nea nie umreme, Makedonija, 20 Juli

dobre ama da ne se naseres:).aide priemam predlozenieto-i otchitam facta che me kanis de facto na moia sobstvena teritoria -zastoto ohrid si e cist bulgarski grad.poznavam nekolcina gordi bulgari ot tam -takiva koito ne sa si prodali dusickite i ne sa stanali srubski mekereta kato tebe.ama aide tezi nema da se mesat.she se tepame pa koi kogoto.vzemi si povece pampersi hahahahah-aide evala ti che me razveseli taa sutrin.da ida sega da glasuvam - ima elections dneska.my favourite is a proud bulgarian originally from makedonia.he s my friend and will become a mayor now --aide so zdrave.

KOMITADJI (pisi go pravilno) : All those revolutionaries who founded the organisation were schooled via the exarchate, this has to be taken into consideration to understand why they said and did some things


Yes U R right. Bit you missed to mention some facts, concerning the Еxarchate
As U know the fits towns who demanded to choose by themselves their pries who are Bulgarians are Skoipie and Samokov - 1833. The fire of the straggle for Exarchate was put on Macedonia
Basing on paragraph 2 from the Sultans Ferman that’s legalizes the Exarchate, the population of Skopie, Bitola and Ohrid bishoprics hold and plebiscite and join to the Exarchate with
95 % majority.
According to the Sultans Ferman he territory of the Exarchate covers the territory of the Ottaman Empire inhabited with Bulgarian population

So, I think this also has to be take into consideration to understand the things

Sho ochitash ti bre, tvoja sobstvena "territorija" LLOOOLLLLLL, Ohrid ako si e cist bugarski grad kaj se li bugarite bre tikvare? Ke mi se falis so "nekolcina", HAHAHAHA, ke ti doidam so MNOGUMINA - MAKEDONCI OD MAKEDONIJA bre tatare, kaj mislish ke bidis, hahahahaha, tamu ke te sretnam i tamu ke ostanish kako nekoj nikakvec, i kur me boli za tvojte bugaromanski kopilina, na site vas mame ke vi ebame.

A za ona sho go kazha za mene i srbite mozhis i mater da si ebash pleme tvoje rasipano, jasno bre pichleme, materina da si ja ebash, ili ako ne ti, nekoi drug istochni makedonski srbo-tatar Veseli se na toa i razmisli drug pat shto kazhvash.

Your politician friend is a moron, and you know how much my Macedonian brothers across the border in Bulgaria have had "love" for your politicians in the last 100 or so years, well, need I say more



Deyane, the Exarchate wasn't create till 1870, as for the first towns that demanded their own priests in 1833, tell me more.

The Bulgarian Church was not kown as the Exarchate until 1870 I believe, but if that is not the case then show me.

Many Macedonians did choose the Exarchate, not knowing that the Bulgarians would take full control of it and use it to de-nationalise us, but this was done for the sake of having their own priests speaking in their native tongues, you Bulgarians couldn't even agree to this, you should've listened to Shapkarev, any enthusiasm of a two-state union or federal state between Macedonia and Bulgaria was dying about this time. Like Slaveykov says about how the Macedonians feel, we have freed ourselves from the Greeks, should we know be slaves to someone else?

Samo poshtovanje da ima, ne sakam i so tebe pak da se karam zatoa ne da vregjash kon Makedoncite i jas isto kon vas.

Za nea nie se borime, za nea nie umreme, Makedonija, 20 Juli

Komitaji
Yes the Exarchate was created in 1870
But as you realize it is not a single, instant action , it has been a long and complex process

“Many Macedonians did choose the Exarchate, not knowing that the Bulgarians …”
At the time we are talking about the separation to ‘’Bulgarians’’ and ‘’Macedonians’’ , well lets accept for the moment, doesn’t exist as we know it at present days
I think that this separation starts at 1913, after the wars
Now we, both sides, has to accept the fact that this separation is reality
But I want to ask you – what is the meaning you put in the words ‘’Bulgarian’’ and ‘’Macedonian’’ ?
What are Arben Djeferi and Hazbi Lika? What are the 2 000 000 inheritors of Macedonians fugitives from Egeia and Vardar Mecedonia? Are Macedonians people from Pirin region, who are with Bulgarian ethnic conscience?
Or Macedonians are only from OMO Ilinden? And in R.Macedonia are Macedonians those who say that they are Bulgarians by blood or only those who are saying –we do not have any common with Bulgarians?
I have two friends from Australia, their parents /both/ are from Kostur region. The one says I’m Bulgarian from Egeian Macedonia. The other – I’m Macedonian . One and the same blood- - and who is who?
Do I have the blood right to call myself Macedonian as my both grand parents are from Macedonia and I have blood relatives there or not?
So many questions . And everybody thinks he is right.

wow..... take it easy boy take it easy hahah.did u take ur pills today.wel i see i can play with you like with a mouse but there is no reason for this .aide you belief is real and any real belief deserve respect.ok.
but what u made so angry is teh fact that the disscusion about the national character of the makedonian state is already happening.in the future you will see more and more bulgarian flags waveing in makedonia just like it happened on mara buneva memorial plaque.and ofcourse u know what kind of sity ohrid is-better than me.several years ago a man who clearly stated bulgarian,almost became mayor there.bulgarians arent,,nekolcina''-nekolcina i know.they are thousands and many of them are rich -they own hotels and restourants on the beac of the lake -someones of them i know.

now it s up to you how to act in this dispute.im telling you- u make a very bad favor of u self and ur idea.what one would think about you and makedonians if read what you wrote:)

The only thing you can play with is yourself bre, and your confusion is a confusion but even confused persons deserves respect, so OK for you too. What makes me upset is the insults you make about my people, as for your bugar flags in Macedonia, LOL, ajde bre nosetegi, ve cekame so zatvoreni race You people are lucky we even let you come to Macedonia for your bogus celebrations, what about the celebrations of Jane Sandanski, your government, church and police force get together to deny the Macedonians their right to lay flowers at one of the fighters for their cause. OF COURSE I know Ohrid better than you, the only Bulgarians in Ohrid are tourists or foreign investors, not natives. I have been there plenty of times and have relatives that live there, never have I heard of a "native" bugar there, sorry buddy, having a velikobugaria conversation and dream of "taking" something with a few bugaromani and some shots of rakija in Ohrid doesn't really count for anything but a sweet little alcoholic dream of yours. So you have failed with the Macedonians in Macedonia, Albania, Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria, what's next, the Macedonians in Australia?

And another politician friend of yours arabe? Wow, you must be quite up there, lol, yet you spend your time on the net arguing with a Macedonian? Go and conquer the world bre, ajde sicko, I am here defending my people, you are here to insult my people, I know exactly how it looks to others reading. That is why you should act to the level of "maturity" you expect from others and not invite somebody to a fight from half way across the world, naturally I will take such suggestions as jokes and humour a little bit, but I could never be under the impression that you, of all people, could do harm to me in Macedonia. Like I said to you before, celata familia mie vo Makedonija, mene ne me znajs ti, tamu ke ostanis, razbiras so sakam da ti kazam neli, dobro.

Za nea nie se borime, za nea nie umreme, Makedonija, 20 Juli

hahaha-
be are you sleeping on the comp. waiting for my post and reply few minutes later hahah.olele- what time is in australia now. ok i understand it is time to bed for u now but before this u have to make ur daily hand job so....let me say one thing as for finish of this.i ll reaaly try to go to ohrid next year,not couse of you but couse i have planed this before and i hope we ll see each other then.my experience tells me that you are a shy kid-only a shy kid or a sick persone would use the net and forums as substitution of the real life .i m prety sure we wont fight but if you insist- let me choice the weapon then hahaha couse u were the one who chalenged me and who wants to see me died:)--so if i have the right to make a choice- i will choice a plastic vagina as weapon hahaha-thats what u need now -u know to set ur agression down .ok -only good feelings to you "_"_")")

Deyane,

I agree it was a gradual process but the main aim of it was initially to overthrow Greek dominance in Macedonia and Thrace and return to Slavic-speaking churches and schools. You put the date of seperation of Macedono-Bulgar interests at 1913, but this is not accurate and you know it, so I suggest we bring into the picture once again the Bulgarian Slaveykov who wrote in the early 1870's about Macedonian seperatism that had existed on a growing scale since at least the 1850's, that is not Macedonian propaganda Deyane, that is the words of a Bulgarian who had the job of suppressing the independent Macedonian movement and wrote what he saw. And the 19th century corresponds to the development of all modern balkan nations.


[Now we, both sides, has to accept the fact that this separation is reality]
True, but Bulgarians also have to accept that Macedonia is a segregated land and that there are many citizens of Bulgaria who have made repeated attempts at establishment Macedonian institutions which have been categorically denied by the Bulgarian government for ridiculous reasons. You cannot compare one Radko incident and Mara Buneva to the many OMO-Ilinden-Pirin and Jane Sandanski incidents.

Macedonians, Bulgarians, Serbs etc, are all defined by the same principles, nationally and ethnically, we don't dream of mystical and brainless relations like the Greeks do with their "hellenism" theory. A Macedonian like me is anybody who is of Macedonian origin, Macedonian culture, Macedonian language, etc. Whereas these Albanians you mention are as Macedonian as your large Turkish minority is Bulgarian.

Deyane, no part of geographic Bulgaria is in Macedonia, but a good part of geographic Macedonia is in Bulgaria, lets not go in circles about calling our own citizens confused and all the usual that follows, we both have our points of view on the matter in the modern sense, no matter what you say there are people with a Macedonian ethnic consciousness and that will always be the case.

Your friends from Australia are Macedonians. Vidi brate, jas sum ziveal vo Australia za dolgo vreme i duri den denes ne sum sretnal nitu eden covek od Makedonia sto se kazhva kako Bugarin, i se poznavam so mnogu Makedonci od Vardar i Egej, retko da se najdi nekoi doiden od Bugarskata drzhava vo Australia, i toa e vistinata: Ako se interesiras, ke ti kazham za eden Bugarin mafiaz vo Australia sho bil ubien pred nekoja godina, se vikase Nikolai Radev i mnogu opasen bil, si slushnal za nego?


[Do I have the blood right to call myself Macedonian as my both grand parents are from Macedonia and I have blood relatives there or not?]

If what you say above is the case then you should call yourself a Macedonian and not a Bulgarian, but such a term as "Bulgar-Macedonian" has no place within reality today. The Macedonians and Bulgarians were two kindred groups who developed into two seperate nations, if your origins are from Macedonia pa togas samio si znajs, if you choose to call yourself a Bulgarian then that is your choice. In my opinion, calling yourself a Bulgarian despite your Macedonian origins is the same as somebody who lives in Macedonia with origins from Pliska calling themsleves a Macedonian, it doesn't make sense. If you feel Bulgarian today pa sho da ti kazham, teraj si ja rabotata, kako sho rekov, samio si znajs.

What part of Macedonia are your origins from Deyane? It is obvious by your writing here that you do not speak local Macedonian but instead literary Bulgarian, do your older relatives speak it as it is written in the texts of Miladinov and Cepenkov? Tell me the story of how your family ended up in Bulgaria, no need for specifics, but it is interesting to me, and this is the first time I have conversated with a Bulgarian that has lasted more than 4 posts without insults.

I look forward to more conversation with you, ajde, pozdrav.

Za nea nie se borime, za nea nie umreme, Makedonija, 20 Juli

Arab, you are the one who initiated this "fight", read your posts, like I said to you already, act your age because in your elderly years you are starting to sound alot more senile.

By the way, keep the plastic vagina yourself, I would never expect from you to give up your hobby of the last 30 years

Na vistina, ako sakas ke se sretnime, ke doidis kaj mene, vo mojot kraj, Bitola, ke zboras so mojte prijateli, mojte rodnini, pa ti da mu kazhis deka se bugari i ne makedonci, i da vidime sho ke se stori od tamu. Ti vetuvam, jas nisto ne praam ako se plashis od mene tolku, OK?

Za nea nie se borime, za nea nie umreme, Makedonija, 20 Juli

e hehe sega me napravi starec -i m not that old bre sile popiordanov:).aide dai si telefona v mk ili skype ili e mail nesto -pa da vidime kakvo she pravime :)moze i adress da mi dades-ke te naidam pa ke si pozborime vo ochi:):)aide....ke mi dades li rakia da pia ili samo ke me tepas

Ok Komitadji

I agree with you to some of the points you wrote
I put the year 1913 having in mind the separation after the wars and the rush of forcing the Serbian influence in Vardar Mk and Greek once in Egea
Some people say the year should be 1944 - 1945 – formation of ASNOM and codification of Mk language/alphabet
For the period 1870 and before form me is hard to say. Yes I know that there has been separatist / lets call them Makedonists/ among Mk population, but still the majority consider themselves Bulgarians. This pioneers mscedonists are marginal group of people, often with pro Serbian and pro Greek orientation, opposite to the Bulgarian majority

I’m talking about the real separation, brought to the present days result of these two kindred / as U call them/ groups to become two nations with own languages, etc.
After 1913 and then after 1945 Bg and Mk take to different ways – we under Russian influence, U under Serbian. The results are the extending differences in our speeches/languages, manners and way of life. There were almost no communication Over the Border. Just propaganda from both sides. And the result is che sega se darlame koi kakv e i kakav ne e, vmesto fa si piem rakijata
Don’t understand me wrong, I don’t mean that this is result only of propaganda and if it stops, we will clap hands and hug and will be one people.

One Mk gay in other forum suggested following:
“Бугарија треба да признае дека постои македонски народ кој зборува на
посебен македонски јазик, а БЈРМ треба да признае дека корените и
почнуваат во 1944 и дека пред тој датум бољшинство македонцев биле
Бугари по произход.
На тоа му се вика и волкот сит и овците на номер. “

As for OMO I really do not want to discuss them. Personally, I’m for registration and lets stop with this noise.
But as U agree that Bulgarians and Makedonian are kindred, blood related groups, OMO cannot pretend to be organization of different ethnic group. Hem roda, hem ne

As for my ancestors, my grand grandfather / mothers link/ is from Vraneshtica. As I know He has been a mayer, Petar Bojinov. Bog da go prosti, otide si kato beh na 3. Smutno go pomnja, beshe blag chovek, davashe mi nebetsheker – nail znaesh kvo e – I mi vikashe “na dedo gulubcheto”. Tova pomnja
So, as I remember, the year is 1922 – 1923 , the period of Serbian violation and serbisising. He has been warned that at the evening there will be Serbian cleaning action in the village and he, together with some local leaders will be the victims. So he packed fast some baggage in two suitcases and escape and settled in Vidin
My grand pa Georgi / Gioce/ and his brother were small 2-3 years old boys.
After Grand grand fathers arranges his life in Vidin, after 1-2 ytakes in both in Bulgaria
Grandfather told me that he remember how hand to hand with his brother were push to go trough the border while the adults were hiding in the bushes and waiting to see is there will be a border patrol to shoot.
An ordinary history of refugees. They were lucky to stay alive
As for my farter’s origin, the story is not very clear, I know that it is again refugees story.

That’s the brief story

Hey komitatji, do you know why the name was T-M-O-R-O because mean Macedonian - Odrin organization. Do you know what was the connection of Macedonia and Odrin (Edrine) they been inhabited by bulgarians who fougth for liberation.
What is the macedonian in the people of Odrin to fight for Macedonian nation?
You know very well that they been bulgarian but your siple serbian dog or brainwashed empry had living in deny of reality.

T-M-O-R-O was organization of bulgarians in Macedonia and Odrin, the bulgarians in odrin been slatter from turkish army when the serbians invade bulgarians in macedonia, because our army went straight to defend bulgarians i na macedonia and left uprotected the people of Odrin.

And now I can see that serbians work is still alive your serbian dog or brainwashed low educated person.

I wish I had that pillow for sex...you know the old fashion way put it under the woman's bottom and lift her up a bit...very relaxing. And the hot read...yuuum!!!

bre budala
do you want a bulgarian komita with gun , knife and flag hooked on sharp shaft near your balls during making sex hahahah:)