Gaul (Latin: Gallia) was the name given, in ancient times, to the region of Western Europe comprising present-day northern Italy, France, Belgium, western Switzerland and the parts of the Netherlands and Germany on the west bank of the Rhine river.

Hellenistic aitiology connects the name with Galatia (first attested by Timaeus of Tauromenion in the 4th c. BC), and it was suggested that the association was inspired by the "milk-white" skin (γάλα, gala, "milk") of the Gauls (Greek: Γαλάται, Galatai, Galatae).

Seeing that Ancient Greeks were not black, so why did they use the term of "white" for europeans??

American Latinos are black? They call American citizens as whites..

and by the way.... we are not Nordic whites. We are Med whites..

What about Margaret Papandreou?

her real name is Margaret Chant and she is not Greek.

if you go to North/West Europe their is less sun so people are much lighter skinned. you can take an a person from Italy and a person from Sweden and you can tell their nationalities apart.

To have been the First Lady of Greece, would Margaret Papandreou have been a Greek citizen? Isn't she still living in Greece? Afterall, you all say that many none Greeks are Greek themselves because of many "Greek" factors.

For all practical purposes, she is Greek.



Βασιλευς Βασιλεων Βασιλευων Βασιλευσιν

What is she then?

Australians also live in a sunny country but they're mostly blond except for greek, italian and chinese immigrants.

Australians are not natives Kannouni

Australians are AngloSaxon economic immigrants. We are not immigrants in our sunny place Kanouni. We are natives..

Neither ancient greeks, nor modern greeks are natives of greece geography.

Btw, i didn't know you had american ministers.

Greeks have lived in their native land since at least Neanderthal times, the many findings and archeology tracings proved it.

she was not a minister she was first lady and i think she was of Polish decent. She and Andreas Papandreou got married when they met at Harvard. But who really cares.

Archeology tracings proves that ancient greeks were black.

I am talking about her son Yorgo Papandreu. It seems they don't have any problems about assigning their agents in greece.

Gaullia was the previous name of France and most french people don't look nordic, vazill.

I am talking about her son Yorgo Papandreu. It seems they don't have any problems about assigning their agents in greece

You mean from YOUR imagination world.

these findings go back to neolithic ages and traced routes showed how Greeks where the original and still are the inhabiter's of the country today.

The Papandreou family probably has done more damage to American interests in Greece then anyone else. Andreas Papandreou expelled U.S. bases and put heavy fines for any Greek facilities used such as sea ports for U.S. navy. Not to mention the Papandreou family founded anti pro American government of Greece groups in the 70's PAK and later PASOK party which is against all U.S. systems. Yorgo Papandreou's grandfather was deposed and arrested by pro American and Monarch governments so it makes no sense for him to support them. Yorgo was also main figure in Simitis government anti Iraq war policy.

but it doesn't really matter seeing as he will almost certainly not be elected. He was very lucky just to survive his own party voting to remove him or not as leader.

Can you read that ancient greek?





What about this?

Wasn't it you who were complaining about PASOK?

i am not too fond of PASOK today, they need to reform their platform since they already did everything needed in the 1980's and 1990's. They would be useless to elect today since they still use old policies. And their leadership is not as good as it was under Andreas Papandreou and Simitis. Their ideas applied today would be a burden.

But if this where 1981 i would support PASOK. They built up Social sector in Greece, brought the country into first world status and helped remove American puppets from politics.

Its not good to keep the same party in power for too long because their policies will become obsolete and a burden.

If PASOK reforms itself up to date then perhaps they can be elected again.

Greek used alphabet is exactly the same and reading the words is the same but grammar and language habits changed. Turks changed their language even more by adopting whole different alphabet. English is the same language but it is not the same spoken as it was 200 years ago.

so what vases where artistic and people where painted as any color.their people painted orange, red, with blue hair in some Greek paintings. their where though slaves in parts of ancient Greece from Africa these must have been used for sculpturing.

past


present

turk79 gets nomination for closet queer of the year...

"DοΏ½rtnala gelip Uzak Asya'dan
Akdeniz'e bir kΔ±srak baοΏ½οΏ½Δ± gibi uzanan
bu memleket bizim"

Of course it's difficult to understand Sumerian for a Turk because it was used 7000 years ago. But grammar of Gokturk Turkish is exactly the same. Only many words changed. Arabic and persian words have ensconced due to adoption of islam. Ancient greek is as older as Gokturk Turkish but it's very different than the modern greek. Alphabet is related with religion. Karaman Turks who converted to orthodox, started to use greek alphabet as eastern romans did. But what if you use greek alphabet now:

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Assuming that the quote you are crediting my ancestors is truthfully....
Do you consider your self as white as Germans?
If you are Greek and live in the land blessed with sea salt and sun do you know what color your skin takes compare to someone from the Danube?
I assume you are of the South Mediterranean stock!
Any more silly questions I can answer?

I said Gaullia, France, and compared them with modern greek people.

Kannouni... it is a redicoulous post.

The only blacks were in Greece were slaves from the African colonies. Look at the statues.

PS. ..and yes. I can read it. Surprised? lol lol

But ethnic maps don't say so:





Can you? What it says then?

The problem Kannouni is that we talk... and I bring data 4000 years ago like statues and paintings.... and you bring data from the web..

Following my data.... on the statueses and into the paintings you can see the same faces (I have to admit not bodies due to pizzas and hamburgets ) that you see in the streets of Thessaloniki or any other Greek city.

Following your data... on the web you can see that Greeks, Italians and Spaniards dont look alike like all Med people look... but Greeks look like Masai or whatever, Italians looks like a mongol tribe (Turks,) Armenians! and Arabs and finally Spaniards look like French (Normads and Anglosaxons) and Algerians.

So Kannouni... for one more time... who do you think we should believe? An ancient author,painter, sculpter.... or a web "executive"? Propaganda have made your minds melting. Protect what is left!

Both the Makedonians and the Hellenes were great (distinct) ancient civilizations. Today, they both have work to do to make it to the top. The Americans, Japanese, and others, today, are far superior to both modern tribes. The Serbs, Bulgars, and Albanians have much more work to do to catch-up than do both the Makedonians and the Hellenes. The Turks had their glory 300 years ago, but are coming back.

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distinct? Both? Vre de pa na gamitheis!

"Turks are mongols" BH is just your fantasy...just as "greeks are Macedonians". All ethnologic researchments proved that original Turks are of white race. Sciencemen finded blond and red haired type of people in Eastern-Turkestan/China.

As Paparigopolos says: True greeks were wiped off the earth by roman invasion in 146th BC. Modern greeks are descendants of Slavs, Albanians, Vlachs, Cumans, Scythians...etc. who started to invade Peloponessia in 6th AC. The common way of these 13 nations were being orthodox.

"True greeks were wiped off the earth by roman invasion in 146th BC"
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But... during the roman invasion only one battled took place and Greeks lost. There are not even one element saying that romans execute citizens, burn villages and general doing attrocities. How the got wiped? By flou? lol lol

Extinction does not always related with executions. What's more not at all. All ancient nations are extinct (except for Australian Aboriginals and maybe Chinese) because no nation can keep it's original roots for centuries. Even modern nations are being destroyed now.

Ancient greeks have never had large populations due to sea-merchandise(why do you think we employed you in trade sector?) because Greece is consisted of mountains and it is not fruitful for agriculture. Besides, genocides between city-states were so common. Romans were also so evil that they usually executed people where they captured. As Tacitus said: "Barbarians...people who are more affectionate and honorable than we Romans!"

Even the theory of modern -Arabic- Egyptians are related with Ancient Egyptians sounds more evidential. Because it was isolated by large deserts. That's why Ancient Egypt had existed so long. But Egypt is an Arabic state now. Or do you think Jews are still of Hebrew origin?

"Extinction does not always related with executions. What's more not at all. All ancient nations are extinct (except for Australian Aboriginals and maybe Chinese) because no nation can keep it's original roots for centuries. Even modern nations are being destroyed now."
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Why? ..because schools of newborn ethnicities teach that stuff to their children in order to avoid questions like... "teacher..what are we doing here since we came from a different land. What happened to the people who were here before?" lol lol

Since a race is not executed to the last 2 of them... it is still exist and can be grow again.



"Ancient greeks have never had large populations due to sea-merchandise(why do you think we employed you in trade sector?) because Greece is consisted of mountains and it is not fruitful for agriculture. Besides, genocides between city-states were so common."
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on the contrary... all these colonies... might have left even more Greek sperm all over Med and Black Sea. That is how usual goes.

Also... by having the ability to live 500,000 soldiers dead in the war between Sparta and Athens.... it seems they must have been far more..

If we take under consideration that Greece today hosts easily 11 million people without any need for colonies...... it means that those people would have been much much more so as to have built more that 1000 cities all around Med and Black Sea.

Something is going wrong with your calculations Kannouni...



"Romans were also so evil that they usually executed people where they captured. As Tacitus said: "Barbarians...people who are more affectionate and honorable than we Romans!"
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Romans used to say that for the Northern Germanic and Gothic tribes.

They prefered the Greeks as teachers for their children...and as you know... teachers cannot be the barbarians..



"Even the theory of modern -Arabic- Egyptians are related with Ancient Egyptians sounds more evidential. Because it was isolated by large deserts."
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..and Balkans were isolated by huge mountains with small openings. I see no difference..




"That's why Ancient Egypt had existed so long. But Egypt is an Arabic state now. Or do you think Jews are still of Hebrew origin?
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yeah I believe mostly they are since they dont intermix with other religious ...and only Israelis are Jews.

Bre Tourko...? I see a bomb near my house. Can you please dont touch my vegetables?


Ah bre Tourko hero... go and stubb some unarmed priest now to relax. That is what you're good for. Take one of your brothers of this forum with you to help you. lol lol

You greeks are very good very frendly ,ha Basil ?

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This is not film.
ORGINAL
Gay greek Collonel who called Moussolini

SO ARE THE GAY TURKS ON THE PICTURE ABOVE,

BY THE WAY YOU NEVER ANSWERED ME HOW WAS YOUR TRIP TO THESSALONIKI??

Genocides in the world have never wiped a nation off completely. Ancient Greek population had dramatically fallen by Macedonian invasion and they had totally wiped off the earth by roman invasion.

We are talking about people of greece here. Not greek sperms. Merchants have only a few children. Where are the Phonecians now? Besides, homosexuality was so common in ancient greece as it's so today.

Yes, it was said for the Northern Germanic and Gothic tribes. But it includes everyone. "Barbarian" didn't used to have a bad meaning in Roman era. It just used to mean "Not Roman". "Barbarian" term had been described badly by italian humanists in renaissance era. That's why they gave "gothic" name to a style which they didn't like.

There is a big difference. Mountain conditions and desert conditions are the same. Look at Punic Wars of Hannibal. Balkans have been invaded in many times and people have settled there.

It is called "Arabic Republic of Egypt" and they don't claim they are of Ancient Egyptian origin.

For God's sake where are those mods?! It has been helenized again.

Genocides in the world have never wiped a nation off completely. Ancient Greek population had dramatically fallen by Macedonian invasion and they had totally wiped off the earth by roman invasion.

SO LETS SAY THIS IS TRUE AND LETS SAY MACEDONIANS ARE NOT GREEK, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MACEDONIANS WHEN THE ROMANS INVADED THEM? AND LATER ON THE OTTOMANS? (BUT WHEN THE OTTOMANS INVADED LET ME NOTE THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS MACEDONIAN ETHNICITY) THEY DID NOT WIPE THEM OFF THE EARTH?
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For God's sake where are those mods?! It has been helenized again.

WELL YOU ARE THE ONE COMING IN HERE POSTING "Question for Greeks" YOU SEEM TO BE IN THE WRONG FORUMS, ACTUALLY NO YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT ONE SINCE MACEDONIA IS GREEK

OH AND BY THE WAY LET ME ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WITH A QUESTION, WHY DID IT TAKE THE GREEKS SO LONG TO REFER TO SOMEONE AS "GAUL - WHITE" SINCE THEY HAD ENCOUNTERED OTHER TRIBES WAY BEFORE THEY ENCOUNTERED THE GAULS? THEY ENCOUNTERED THE ILLYRIANS WHY DID THEY NOT REFER TO THEM AS GAULS?

An interesting article related to the issue:

The Black Greeks

by Dr. Clyde Winters

To deny the African origin of Grecian civilization the Eurocentrists attack Martin Bernal's book: Black Athena. This book has nothing to do with Afrocentrism. In the two volumes published thus far, Bernal maintains that Semites from Phoenicia and the Semitic Hyksos speaking rulers of Egypt, took civilization to Greece, not Black Africans.

J.A. Rogers in Sex and Race, Parker, Diop and DuBois on the other hand, are Afrocentric scholars. These scholars have reviewed the writings of the classical authors, the anthropological, linguistic and historical evidence to reach the conclusion that the ancient Greeks were blacks and that the European Greeks learned the liberal arts and sciences from their "black ancestors" who first settled Greece and the Egyptians.

According to the Olympian Creation Myth the earliest groups to appear on earth were the Libyco-Thracians .The Libyans were Proto-Saharans, as were the original Thracians. Some Thracians were descendants of the Ku****e and Egyptian troops established at Trace, by Sesostris (Thutmose III or Ramses II), when he conquered Asia and Europe.(Diop 1991; Winters 1983a,1984b,1985a)

Many of the so-called Greek myths are in reality historical texts which show the ancient lifestyle of the pre-Aryans in Greece and the transition from Pelasgian matriarchy to Greek-Aryan patriarchy. The term Amazon was often used by the Aryans to denote matriarchal societies living on the Black Sea. The battle between Thesus and the Amazons, led by Queen Melanippe, records the conflicts between the ancient Aryan-Greeks and the Libyans settled around the Black Sea.

Dr. Lefkowitz (1992) and Snowden (1992,1976) perpetuate the myth that the only blacks in ancient Europe were slaves or mercenaries. This is false the Greek historical works make it clear that many ancient settlers of the Aegean came from Africa , especially the Garamantes and Pelasgians. G. W. Parker wrote that: "I need not go into details concerning the ethnical relations of the Romans, since they, too are Mediterranean and are closely related to the same African confederation of races ...[situated in Greece]. Aeneas, their mythical founder of Troy. The Aenead, like the Illiad, and Odyssey and all other of the world's great epics, is the poetic story dealing with African people". The heroes of these tales used long shields, the characteristic shields of the Indo-European speaking Greeks were round.

For full article, please follow the link given below:

http://www.ipoaa.com/black_greeks.htm

The only think on me that... I have to accept..... has the same characteristics with the people of the black tribe is the region of my genetical organs. Yeap... I have to accept it. lol lol

You are a Rum, a mixture of many peoples.

"""We are mixture of many peoples."""

No kidding Jan

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"""We are mixture of many peoples."""

No kidding Jan


And modern day Greeks are pure. LOL
Pure mix of Turks,Slavs,Africans and GOd only knows what else.
Greeks cant stand anyone but themselves, they do not like Slavs but they came out of Russia?