[TB]
I would have, if John had done so. But John didn't. Ever Wonder why!
John knew there was a time between verse 1 and verse 14. That is why he filled that "time" with other information.
Why should I "jump" (as some do) from one verse to another to build a doctrine, when the author himself did not do so?
[Jason]
What a stupid statement, no one is jumping and ignoring the verses in between. All verses in the Bible agree with one another, there is no conflict or error. It is INC members who are hiding behind rocks cowering in fear of verse 14 and 18.
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[TB]
Look at how John himself presents the "becoming" of God's logos, to being personified in his son.
Verse 1 tells us something about "Logos" - it was someplace at some time identified only as a "beginning;" which in other writings of John is identified as "the beginning of the gospel."[John 8:25; 16:4] And it was "face to face with God." and in some fashion or other, it "was God."
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
[Jason]
False, the beginning means the beginning of creation and all things. Because verse three states that the Logos created all things. Thus, the continuing subject is the creation of all things.
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[TB]
Verse 2 tells us "the same" (Note: NOT "he" - because "it" is not a person) was in some beginning, as yet not identified, and it was "face to face" with God
2 "The same was in the beginning with God."
[Jason]
The same is referring to God / Logos. The same person being talked about in verse 1 = Logos who is God. But note that a singular God cannot be with himself as a single person. Verse two proves that God is plural. The Logos who is God, was with God, the Father.
No modern translation uses "it", rather the common and proper translation is HE.
John 1:2 (New International Version)
2He was with God in the beginning.
John 1:2 (New American Standard Bible)
2He was in the beginning with God.
John 1:2 (Amplified Bible)
2He was present originally with God.
John 1:2 (New Living Translation)
2 He existed in the beginning with God.
John 1:2 (New King James Version)
2 He was in the beginning with God.
ETC ETC ETC
"HE"
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[TB]
Verse 3 tells us that by "it" all things became, that have become, and not one thing became without it.
3 "All things were made by it; and without it was not any thing made that was made."
[Jason]
Again, false translation, it is HIM, not it.
John 1:3 (New King James Version)
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
John 1:3 (New International Version)
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
John 1:3 (English Standard Version)
3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
ETC ETC ETC
And who made all things, who created TB, yes, that would be God. It was only GOD who created all things.
Gen 1:31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.
So we know that not only is the Logos GOD, but that it was the person of the LOGOS who created ALL THINGS. ALL THINGS!
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[TB]
Verses 4&5 (Notice: No personification yet - IT has not become flesh at this point) tell us there was a time involved for evaluation and comprehension of the light. And the light was "IT" not "him."
John 1:4 "In it was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended IT not."
[Jason]
There already is personification in verse 1. The Logos is a person already in verse 1 and furthered in verse 2 and 3 and all of chapter 1.
Again, you are intentionally deceiving yourself. Valid and non-cult translations state HIM. Also notice how many translations capitalize "Light".
John 1:4 (New International Version)
4In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
John 1:4 (New American Standard Bible)
4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.
John 1:4 (Amplified Bible)
4In Him was Life, and the Life was the Light of men.
John 1:4 (American Standard Version)
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
There is not one translation that translates "it". Sorry.
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[TB]
Verses 6&7 tell us God sent a man to bear witness, to cause men to believe. This also takes time. John 1:6 "There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe."
[Jason]
This would be John the baptist, who was to proceed the coming of the Messiah. Nothing new there.
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[TB]
Verses 8 thru 13 testify to a great expanse of time during which testimony was given to his own, evaluated by his own, and rejected by his own.
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Verse 14 tells us of the ultimate result of all that effort, that was "rejected" by "his own;"and reflects a time that his glory was noted, and THAT was not until he was ascended to God's right hand.
John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
[Jason]
This is the second part of my question which you have not answer as of yet.
The Logos is God, who created all things, and according to verse 14, God became flesh and dwelt among us.
Do you agree with this statement?
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[TB]
Verse 14 also tells us that the glory they beheld, was NOT the glory of God, but was the glory of the "BEGOTTEN OF GOD." It is a different glory, though trinitarians try to "jump" to verses about glory, and weld them together, as though they spoke of the same thing. They do not.
[Jason]
Not relevant. But it is the same glory, the full glory of God is equal with Jesus. They shared the same glory.
John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
But back to my question, did God become flesh, yes or no?
If you agree that the Logos is God in verse 1
Do you agree that God became flesh in verse 14?
And dwelt among us?
Search your soul brother. You know what I quote out of the Bible is irrefuteble. Why not accept it?
Just because some wacky Filipino cult says otherwise? Don't be a fool man!
If you do not accept the claims of Jesus Christ and who Jesus Christ truly is (John 1:1,14)
You Are Not Saved
Jason
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