We congratulate the Government of Serbia, and thank the people who conducted this operation for their professionalism and courage. This operation is an important demonstration of the Serbian Government's determination to honour its commitment to cooperate with the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY).
The timing of the arrest, only days after the commemoration of the massacre of over 7,000 Bosnians committed in Srebrenica, is particularly appropriate, as there is no better tribute to the victims of the war's atrocities than bringing their perpetrators to justice.
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When will Bosnjaks wake up and look in a mirror and see they look like Mladic,Karadzic and Milosevic instead of Ahmed,Mohammed or Ahkbar. You are the weak ones who bent over and let the Turks (...) because you were too afraid to fight, and now you are proud because some Muslim converted your coward family hundreds of years ago. tsk tsk tsk what a bunch of brainwashed and proud (....)!
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When will Bosnjaks wake up and look in a mirror and see they look like Mladic,Karadzic and Milosevic instead of Ahmed,Mohammed or Ahkbar. You are the weak ones who bent over and let the Turks (...) because you were too afraid to fight, and now you are proud because some Muslim converted your coward family hundreds of years ago. tsk tsk tsk what a bunch of brainwashed and proud (....)!
You should convert to donkeys.
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Dane that is a stupid comment just like it is stupid to stay in a religion that was forced onto you under that of a sword. My family did not convert, therefore I am still Orthodox. Your'e family on the other hand was scared, weak and affraid hence they bent over for the turks and accepted islam. When will you wake up and see you look just like me and not some arab?
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Who really did bent over?
Milosevic, Karadzic and Seselj behave like Mohamed Akhbar, those are terrorist who use fools like Mladic and other donkeys like yourself. Only a fool can believe those stories about evel turks, then serbs are victims and bla bla.
And you should convert to donkeys, I was very serious about that.
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They did what they had to do, it was pest control. Now you tell me why did your family bend over and accept islam? Islam in the middle of Europe and you don't believe the stories about Turks??? How dumb are you really? Bosanci stravno sa budali
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This Bosnian Islam donkey is so genuine it makes your evel scum priests look like bunch of spolit litle prats. Look at yourself, supporting crimes and war criminals, believing some stupid legends and stories about your nation that your priests made up whenn they got drunk. Just because of donkeys like you. IIAA IIAA. Fool.
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Hey Bosanac our religion is true, we don't follow a child molesting phedopile might I add an Illeterate one at that. You idiots can't even read the Koran yet you follow it. Bosanci are truly stupid people who deserve a stupid religion. Orthodoxy wouldn't take cowards like you that bent over for Islam instead of fighting. Stupid brainwashed loser. Just stop and look in the mirror you stupid idiot, you will see what you are not what you were made to believe!
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Bosanac "stories" is what you are trying to pass off. Serbs have a language and alphabet, you know the one you borrow and claim it to be "Bosnian" LOL
Use a different dialect and all of a sudden it's a new language, the world see's how stupid your made up nation is, you and those Albanians need to go live together!
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Oko cega se svadjate ????
Svi pripadamo istom slavenskom plemenu. Ista Slavenska Mati nas je rodila.
Geopolitika i inozemci namutnuli su nama razlicite religije/mitologije.
Tko je bog po nacionalnosti ? Hrvat, Bosnjak, Srbin, Crnogorac....a mozda - kao ja - on(ona) je ateista....
Dok mi se svadjamo kao djeca cio svijet se nama smeje :
Proslusajte ovaj clanak Christophera Hitchensa o nama :
Oko cega se svadjate ????
Svi pripadamo istom slavenskom plemenu. Ista Slavenska Mati nas je rodila.
Geopolitika i inozemci namutnuli su nama razlicite religije/mitologije.
Tko je bog po nacionalnosti ? Hrvat, Bosnjak, Srbin, Crnogorac....a mozda - kao ja - on(ona) je ateista....
Dok mi se svadjamo kao djeca cio svijet se nama smeje :
Proslusajte ovaj clanak Christophera Hitchensa o nama :
You are critisizing my nation? My nation has the proof that it originated in this region. From Ilirians to Slavs Bosnia is forever here. Your nation stole the languange when you arrived here from Afganistan. And you think you can talk about my nation you Indoasian thief? Karadzic and Mladic look like SLavs don't they? Everything you have you stole from Bosnians. Stupid donkey.
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Oko cega se svadjate ???? Tko je bog po nacionalnosti ?
Svi pripadamo istom slavenskom plemenu. Ista Slavenska Mati nas je rodila.
Geopolitika i inozemci namutnuli su nama razlicite religije/mitologije.
Tko je bog po nacionalnosti ? Hrvat, Bosnjak, Srbin, Crnogorac....a mozda - kao ja - on(ona) je ateista....
Dok mi se svadjamo kao djeca cio svijet se nama smeje :
Jos jednom Vas molim proslusajte ovaj clanak Christophera Hitchensa o nama i nasem idiotskom bratoubilackom ratu :
You should start reading and listening proper staf:
"THE FOREFATHERS OF SRB (SERBIAN) AND HRVAT (CROAT) PEOPLE
Classical Sources
In the mid 5th C., Priskos Rhetor was the first to deal with the Avar tribe which existed in the West Siberian region. This supports the theory of origin from the Balkhash region which is further supported by the Chinese records concerning the related Hua tribes. According to Priscos's account, the Avar-Huns forced the Sabirs out of this land and over the Volga around 461-463CE because "a fog rose from the sea scaring people" and this was followed by countless "vultures descending upon the people". Then in 550, Zakharias Rhetor the church historian mentioned an "Avar" community in the west. Also in the mid 6th century, Menandros wrote about Avars. At the same time Procopius made a distinction in his History of the Wars, Books I and II, between White Huns and European Huns which Simokattes in the early half of the 7thC. defines as the real- and pseudo- avars respectively.
Based upon Simokattes's and other information, the Avars who entered Europe are thought to have been a combination of a (Uighur people called Hund(?) and (because of the anthropological evidence as well as etymology on Avar Khagaan names like Bayan meaning "prosperous" in Mongol but meaning female in most western Altaic tongues) a Mongolian people called Var(?) who united around Balk sometime between 410-470CE.
Developments in Central Eurasia
Avars were once equated with the Juan Juan resulting in much confusion as the latter have become frequently referred to as Avars. Though this equation has since proven to be a gross generalisation since the Juan Juan continued to exist after being overthrown by the Asena until 557 while Sarosios was already well established as Khagan of the Avars in Europe by that time. There is, however, evidence that an element of the European Avars may have been, at least for a little while, a small part of the Juan Juan confederacy.
Besides their generally circulated suggestion of their relationship to the Hephthalites, another well-circulated story of more enigmatic origin has it that the Uygurs were conquered by a Mongolian people in the 5th century (see Uar and Hua). Forming a confederation in present Central Eurasia, they tried to survive in the competition with other Turkic tribes (see Juan Juan), by which they were eventually expelled. The survivors of this group of Turkic/Mongol people migrated toward East Europe where they established the Avars Khaganate 502-530CE, starting an era of conquest.
Developments in Central & S.E. Europe
Allies of the Byzantine Empire, they fought against the Slavs and the Bulgars, controlling the area between the Volga River and the Elbe River as far as the Baltic Sea. However, the situation changed resulting in an attempt to invade Italy in 610 and they attacked Constantinople in 619 and 626. The emperor Heraclius, the Bulgars and some Slavic peoples (Croats (Hrvati) and Serbs Срби Srbi) fought them and pushed them to Illyria and in the 630'sCE Khagan Kubrat of the Onoghur became the first Khagan of the second Avar dynasty.
From the late 7th century, writings begin to mention peoples using a 'K-B/V-R' root ethnonym in the same areas inhabited by Avars. The root K-B/V-R has been explained as "rebel" or "mix" as well as "rotate" and "wander". Dissident Kuber Avar-Huns are mentioned migrating southward following a rebellion against the main body of Avars not long after Batbayan-Bezmer succeeded his father Kubrat as Khagan. It may reasonably be deduced that those western Avars who mixed with the Bulgar-Huns and/or severed ties with/rebelled against the main eastern horde in the Caucasus which was under Khazar rule, became known by the 'K-B/V-R' variation of the name.
Little is known about Kabar/Avars from between the late 7th to late 8th centuries except that most of their neighbours still called them Avars. Excavations of their graves have yielded evidence that they were a Mongolian people who carried objects usually associated with Hebraic culture and it has been suggested that their center of control was actually in Khazaria rather than the Ukraine or Pannonia. As Kabarids (or Kavarites) they also seem to have left their ethnonym in certain towns they founded like for example the Kopyrev Konets district of Kiev in the Ukraine which has been explained from their ethnonym. In 791 they invaded Europe once again. The so-called Avar Ring was defeated by Franks led by Charlemagne in the 9th century whereupon the three major tribes invited the Magyar seven-tribe confederacy to liberate them. The three Avar tribes which Magyar sources call Kavar or Kabar (there is no other mention of Avars in original Magyar sources) were settled in Transylvania. Their Szekely descendants preserved the popular Avar Dragon Totem well into the 15th century.
Caucasian Avars and their Language
A connection between the European Avars and the Caucasian Avars and Kabard is severely questioned, but evidence is mounting in favor of the theory that the Avars who settled in Transylvania were only a "pseudo" (Kabar?) portion of other "true" Avars who remained in the Caucasus region under Khazar control. The faction which is supposed to have remained in the Caucasus formed a powerful khanate in the 10th century contributing to the collapse of Khazaria from within that kingdom.
Anthropological Origins
There are three popular points of origin suggested for the Avar peoples one is in the Caucasus as a branch of the Protoiberians, another is in the Hindu Kush around present day Kabul, and another, associating them with the Parni, is the region beyond the Jaxartes (Transiaxartesia) around Lake Balkhash in north-east Kazakhstan. Perhaps a suitable synthesis of these ideas may be that they were originally inhabitants of Khwarezmia and had thus influence in all three areas. The skeletons found in European Avar graves are mostly mongolian [Istvan Erdelyi's "Kabari (Kavari) v Karpatskom Basseyne" specifically page 179 from Sovietskaya Archeologiya 4 (1983)], but many items usually associated with Hebrews have been found with them [A. Scheiber "Jewish inscriptions in Hungary from the 3rd Century to 1686" (1983); V.L.Vikhnovich "From the Jordan to the Dneiper" from Jewish Studies 31 (1991)]. Whether they had some kind of Hebraic origin connected to the quasi-"Jewish" tribes discovered in China and were a major influence in Khazaria or were simply influenced by the alleged Khazar conversion is a question demanding further investigation. Others have described them as "Amerinoid" (?source) loosely described as 'similar to a Mongolian Type with prominent noses'.
Speculations on Religion
In the east, the inhabitants of Khwarezmia, recognized as being under the Avars by 410CE, were said to observe a form of Mosaic law (see Sabians) which might explain the apparent Hebrew artifacts found in excavations of their Carpathian basin graves. Later while western Avar areas like Avaristan, apparently became a Christian kingdom their former eastern haunts became strongly islamicized. Arguments also exist that Avars were originally Magians, and others suggest a basic form of typical Eurasian Shamanism. These days the only surviving people still known as Avars mostly practice forms of Jafarite islam.
Noahite Origins
The Avars have been included with various Turkic peoples in attempts to trace them a descent from Noah. Joseph ben Gorion's 10thC. historical work "Sefer Yosippon" mentions Avar (עבר) as one of the ten children of the Biblical Togarmah. There is also a suggestion that the Avar-Huns descend from the Biblical Patriarch Eber (also written עבר) via Abraham's third wife Keturah whose descendants had moved to Central Eurasia mentioned in the 12thC. ["Chronicles of Jerahmeel" by Jerahmeel ben Solomon]. There are also references to the descent of various Avar-Hunnic tribes from Magog who also had a descendant called Heber (עבר).
A Common Ethnonym
The obviously quite common eponym may be explained by a widely accepted, theory that the word Avar has a common root with the Turkish word avare, meaning wanderer or vagabond. Thus, it is suggested that terms like "Avar" used for various peoples might derive from a common Turanian etymology with a meaning of human movement like "freeman/ nomad" along with many similar words from many ancient languages like for example Hebrew. For more speculations about Avar peoples in western Central Eurasia before the 5th C. CE see AparDi, Aparytae, Abar-noi, Abaris.
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The writings of Procopius of Caesarea (500 ? - 565 ?), in Palestine, are the primary source of information for the rule of the emperor Justinian. He was the author of a history in eight books of the wars fought by the Justinian I, a panegyric on Justinian's public works throughout the empire, and a book known as the Secret History that claims to report the scandals Procopius could not include in his published history ("anecdotes").
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The term Hephthalite derives from Greek, supposedly a rendering of "Hayathelite", the name used by Persian writers to refer to a 6th century empire on the northern and eastern periphery of their land.
In China they were known as 厌哒 or 厭達 (py Yanda) also written Ye-ti-i-li-do/Yeda/Yoptal but are documented as having called themselves Hua or Huer (滑).
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Uighurs (also: Uyghurs, Uigurs, Uygurs) (Chinese: Weiwur 維吾爾 or 维吾尔 in pinyin: wéiwúìr) are a Turkic ethnic group of people living in northwestern China (mainly in the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, where they are the dominant ethnic group together with Chinese Han people), Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan. The other branch of Uighurs lives in Taoyuan county of Hunan province in Southcentral China. Uighurs form one of the 56 ethnic groups officially recognized by the People's Republic of China.
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Juan Juan (wg), Ruanruan (py), Ru Ru (py) or Rouran 柔然 (py) was the name of a confederacy of nomadic tribes on the northern borders of China proper from late 4th century until late 6th century. The term Rouran (柔然) was a Chinese language transcription of the pronunciation of the name the confederacy used to refer to itself.
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According to Theophylaktos Simokattes, Uar, along with the Hunnoi, are the names associated with the two biggest tribes of "Procopius's White Huns". They were called Varkhon or Varkunites (Ouarkhonitai) by Menander, perhaps inspired by the name of the God Vulcan, and settled Europe in the Balkans and Pannonia. They are supposed to have united around 460 under the rule of one of the five Yuezhi families - the Hephthal.
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The Byzantine Empire or Eastern Roman Empire was the eastern section of the Roman Empire, with its capital at Constantinople (modern Istanbul), which remained in existence after the fall of Rome in the 5th century. The Byzantine period is usually considered to extend from 395 to 1453.
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Sabars and Avars
The name "Serb" is non-Slavic in origin and more likely than not original Serbs were overlords of the Slavs. The name 'Serb' designates not only the population in the invaders of Balkan peninsula but of Lusatia as well. Lusatia, a region in Eastern Germany is inhabited by a nation the Germans call the Wends from which the Greeks derived the word Venedi, alb. vendi 'homeland, country' hence an Illyrian not Slavic name. The name "Serb" is e neologism from the ancient homeland of Serbs, Sarmantia an ancient district between the Vistula River and the Caspian Sea, occupied by the Sarmatians [Lat. Sarmatae] from the 3d cent. B.C. through the 2d cent. A.D. The term is vague and is also used to refer to the territory along the Danube and across the Carpathians where the Sarmatians were later driven by the Huns. The Sarmatians, who until c.200 B.C. lived E of the Don River, spoke an Indo-Iranian language and were a nomadic pastoral people related to the Scythians (see Scythia), whom they displaced in the Don region. The main divisions were the Rhoxolani, the Iazyges, and the Alans or Alani. They came into conflict with the Romans but later allied themselves with Rome, acting as buffers against the Germans. They were scattered or assimilated with the Germans by the 3d cent. A.D.
The common Indo European phonetic mutation allowed -m > -mb > -b from Sarmoi > Serboi.
The name of Sarmatians derived from PIE Root / lemma: ker-6 and k̂er- : 'dark colour; dirt, etc'.
Maybe Sarmoi > Serboi, Srb from lit. sarma `gray, white weasel' [common PIE b > w mutation].
Both root names Hrv (Croat) and Srb (Serb) are interchangeable: s > h, b > v phonetic mutations. Clearly Srb (Serb) is the origin of the latter Hrv (Croat).
lit. šir̃vas `gray, greyish-blue' (*k̂r̥-u̯o-s), šir̃mas ds. (*k̂r̥-mo-s), lett. sirms `gray' (compare ai. śyā-má- `black, dark' besides śyā-vá- ds.); lit. šir̃vis `hare'; in addition lit. šarmà f. ` hoarfrost', lett. sarma, serma ds., lit. šarmuõ, šermuõ `ermine' (:ahd. harmo, ven.-illyr. carmō); šarmuonỹs m. `weasel', with ablaut ostlit. širmuonė̃lis ds., lett. sermulis m. `ermine';
The Indo European root/lemma Root / lemma: ker-6 and k̂er- : 'dark colour; dirt, etc' could be a collective name for Sarmatea 'dark people'.
Yet the origin of the name Sarmat could be an Indo European interpretation of Sabar (Sabat) common PIE b > mb > m phonetic mutation].
Serbs and Croats would retain their sumptuous Turkic names in contrast to their Slav mercenaries called Slovenians. Bosnia was populated by an Illyrian tribe called Besoi which eventually drowned under the Slavic tide. Montenegro would be called by Serbs as Crna Gora 'black mountain'. The true Slavs who defeated the Avars in the Balkans were actually Slovenians. They would impose their language on defeated Serbs, Montenegrins, Croats and Macedonian Avars. Bulgar Avars would suffer the same identity crises while Huns managed to survive in their tiny kingdom.
The origin of the name Serb from an Indo European root seems incredible. Serbian toponyms in their homeland in Caucasus are often remote to Slavic tongues.
Azerbaijan Ser-Abad : Serboi Greek reading.
Both names Serboi earlier Sabar and Hrvat (Croat) earlier Havar, Avar seem to have originated in the shores of the Caspian Sea. The forefathers of Serbs and Croats were not Indo European but Caucasian.
The names of Asian tribes Sabar and Kavar (*Havar) Avar derived from the same root [common shift b > v, also allophones s/ h].
Serbs (*Sabar) and Croats (Hrvat) were Avar tribes which Magyar sources essentially call Kabar and Kavar.
The remnant of Sabar, Avar excellent horsemanship in Turkish language was stamped in the cognate: tr. süvari ' cavalier, cavalry, cavalryman, chevalier, mounted troops, man'. Clearly the origin of Serbs and Croats is not Indo European. Although they adopted the language of their slaves, the Sabar and Avar overlords preserved their original name. Franks, a Germanic tribe who had conquered Gaul also lost its ancient language against numerically superior native population.
Turkish Identity of Avar People
In order to illuminate the state of affairs in brief, it should be beneficial to determine these 3 issues stated below:
a) 100 years before the collapse of Juan-Juan domination in the Central Asia (the events in 461-465, see Sabar people, Ogur people), the Byzantine historian Priskos (in the middle of the 5th century) dealt with the "Avar" tribe that existed in the western Siberian region. Another resource (Zakharias Rhetor, in the years of 550) cited about an "Avar" community in the west before the occurrence of the Mongolian events. In addition to these facts, the ancient Greek geographer, Strabon (1st century DC) stated that he dealt with "Abar-noi" people in his work and that the name of "Abaris" was used in combination with he Greek legends in the very ancient histories.
b) According to these records, it is obvious that the relevant Avar (Abat) people did not have any relation or relevance with the Mongolian Juan-Juan people that were totally abolished in the year of 555 DC.
c) Actually, it is of significance that the Byzantine historian Th. Simokattes (2nd quarter of the 7th century) had made a classification about Avar people such as "Real Avar" and "Fake Avar". According to the results obtained from the researches carried out upon this record, the group called as "Fake Avar" was composed of Warkhon (in other words, Var and Hund: in Simokattes) people that were the neighbors of the Oguz tribes living in the region between the Western Turkestan- Northern Caucasus and within the environs of Don-Idyll (Volga) Rivers and that were named as "Avar" in the Byzantine resources (Menandros, the end of 6th century).
These two Turkish groups that used to speak Turkish with Y like Gokturk, Hun peoples, etc. deserted from the government of Juan-Juan family that they were subject to after the year of 350 and they turned towards the west. These two tribes participated in the establishment of Ak Hun (Eftalit) State in Turkestan- Afghanistan- Northern India. Then, they got separated from the foreign domination in Mongolia pursuant to the defeats of Juan-Juan people against the Tabgaç armies in the years of 458-459. These War (var) and Hun tribes that came to the region of Caspian Sea-the north of Lake Aral constituted a Turkish tribal union and they were collectively named as Apar (Abar, Avar) in accordance with the occupations that they had.
Therefore, the founders and the dominant majority of the European Avar Khanate were composed of the crowded Turkish groups that came from the central regions of Asia and united with the Ogur tribes that they encountered in the plain lands of the southern Russia and the other Iranian foreign elements such as Mongolian, Alan people, etc. that retreated towards the west under pressure due to the political expansion of the Gok- Turk State.
Some of the Turkish administrative offices that were present in the Avar Khanate were essentially named with Turkish idioms (the titles such as Tudun, Yugruº, Tarhan, Boyar, Ban, etc.). Similarly, it is beyond doubt that the Avar statesmen that made history were of Turkish origin. Additionally, the name of the famous ruler Bayan was a Turkish name."
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Hey Dane I hear the Egyptians learned to make pyramids from the Bosnians. ROFL
Dane how about you and I roast a pig and then have some nice slanina, okay turcin?
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I will eat slanina only if you come back to your old roots under Bajan Khan. Ok?
You know the name of your grangranfather was Abdurahnman Khan. What happened to you to end up Dabic Radovan!!?? Your granpa is turning now in his grave listening to you talking about how good slanina is. Sold your nation for 2 pieces of slanina. Pu scum pu.
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Dane whats your last name???
ROFL ROFL ROFL
Who is who wann-be brainwashed turcin
Only losers shop at Ikea, I buy hand made furniture not put together pieces.
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Dane as for my grandfather he fought against islam, so did my great grand father and my great great grand father. Unlike your family of picke who bent over in took it in the dupe from turci. I know my family history and who we are and were we came from. I didn't know "Bosnian" was a language? ROFL
I have never seen that before you people started with that garbage a decade ago.
Dane it's better you stay what you are, because if I ever did welcome you in it would only be to cut your throat you muslim pig!
Days are numbered, the west is spread out all over the world protecting false interest, if Russia, Serbia, Iran, North Korea, Venuzula, Afghanistan and all these other countries who seem to have a problem with the west all decided to do something around the same time you and the Albanians would be wiped off the map. Brother I cannot wait!
Just keep your mouth shout pisdo! If it wasn't for the intervention of the west, Britain,Germany and modern day France (not under the man Jacque Chirac, but that Magyr Jew now), and China and there group of lackies(third world countries and falsely made countries) who hang on them like leeches begging for scraps of food and promises of Democracy. If America is so great why are they SOOOOOOO POOR that they borrow money from a third world country like China?
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I knew you would convert to donkeys, your path from now is to follow and to pray to the Holly Carrot. hahaha
Bye funny donk and say hello to your motherland Iran.
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Budalo the Croations come from Iran you uneducated turcin. As for you flag look at it from your perspective crap for brains, does fleur-de-lis mean anything to you? Are you French? Stupid bosniak think just because your family took it in the dupe from the turks that you really are muslim, BUDALO!
Dane whats your last name look like a Turkish name or a Serbian name, forget your first name we know you changed that but look at your last name budalo.
Dane just out of curiousity show me on text where it states a Bosnian language or alphabet exsisted hell let's just say 20 years ago let alone hundreds of years ago.
Converted brainwashed ascimilated worthless excuse for a being is anythone like yourslef that would accept islam!
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Thanks for the picture of the flag I just printed it out and used it to wipe my a s s. You know we use paper not like you TRUE muslims who only wipe with your hand
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