...I listened to the Laura Ingraham show this morning. LMMFAO at these idiots. Some royal Kunt sat in for Laura, and it must have been a real PMS day. SHe was in full lather about how Barack Hussein Obama loved terrorists and Bin Laden and even promised to "give him full access to our liberal court system" if captured. Of course it was the Supreme Court, 7/9s Republican,that granted that right just days ago, but lets blame it on Obama the terroist lover instead.

I guess they think that the President should just do what W. has done and ignore Congress and the Courts and become a dictator?

We gave trials to Hitler's men and the guys who conducted the greatest atrocities in human history and the Japaneese the same. We did it when others around the world wouldn't because we are the United States of America. Our Supreme COurt held that we cannot hold people indefinately, with absoutely no trial, for as long as we want without any opportunity for them to present evidence that may exonerate them, simply because WE decided, without presentation of evidence, that they are terrorists. Apparently, thats Obama's fault. WOW. These guys are in full scare Whitey throttle. Its gonna get ugly.

"We gave trials to Hitler's men and the guys who conducted the greatest atrocities in human history and the Japaneese the same."

OK, lets use 1945 standards, I have no problem with that as long as that includes pounding our enemies into submission like we were allowed to do back then.

Do you even understand what a Dictator is? I rolled into Iraq and Kuwait in 1991. Seeing the executed bodies that Saddams Republican guards felt were traitors taught me what a true dictator is.

You are nothing more than a progressive/ facist pu$$ie who screams and lies in order to get their way. Hilter would have loved you in his administration.

How many journalists did Bush have silenced by execution?

How many times did the Army show up in Congress to eradicate those who dissented or to re-educate them?

Have agents shown up at your house because you have spoken out against the administration?

Has your property been seized and children taken from you?

Has your ability to travel around the country or overseas been stopped?

Do you have to show papers to travel from city to city?

You really are a joke.

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I believe he was speaking figuratively. As if a president without a Supreme Court and other balances would be borderlining a "dictatorship".

SF2, what relevance does that have toward this Conservative scare tactic whore blaming Obama for a decision made by Supreme Court Justices he never appointed?

"Our Supreme COurt held that we cannot hold people indefinately, with absoutely no trial, for as long as we want without any opportunity for them to present evidence that may exonerate them, simply because WE decided, without presentation of evidence, that they are terrorists. Apparently, thats Obama's fault."

Some people have a hard time understanding due process and the possibility that we legitmately have some folks at Gitmo that are not "enemy combatants".

I know the RIGHT will say that our soldiers are infallable and there is no way possible they could have erred.

The sad thing is most of these conservative talk show hosts dont understand stare decisis and previous court precedent that states that US citzens are not the only folks that get due process rights. The Constitution is what makes this country great, not the musings of some fascist blowhard who thinks just because she wears a us flag lapel pin and passed US Government in high school that she has a better understanding of the Constitution than 9 Supreme Court Justices.

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."~G.W. Bush

Dacow wrote: I guess they think that the President should just do what W. has done and ignore Congress and the Courts and become a dictator?

Can you give me examples where Bush ingored Congress and the Courts? If you say Gitmo, sorry the Supreme Court finally voiced its opinion after the rulings went thru the perfectly legal appeals process. If Bush were a dictator he would proclaim the Supreme Court's ruling meaningless and ignore it. He has not done so.

Sorry but the bogus childish Bush is a dictator nonsense only works on College Campuses and San Francisco coffee shops.




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..This is the 3rd ruling on the issue. The first 2 went against the Admin and they failed to comply with the 1st two rulings necessitating the 3rd. Cheney stated that goal of the admin at the beginning was to increse the power of the presidency (ostensibly by lowering the power of the other two branches). Hence-- my dictator comment. Actually, that comment was not the point of the post, which I am sure you are well aware but tried to ignore.


Also, Bush asked for and got the COngress to convey its Constitiutional responsibility to declare war in Iraq, something I find unconstitutional. Hitler had other governmental braches "offer up" power to him as well.

As to your questions:

How many journalists did Bush have silenced by execution?

A. Tim Russert


How many times did the Army show up in Congress to eradicate those who dissented or to re-educate them?

A. Don't know

Have agents shown up at your house because you have spoken out against the administration?

A. Ask Valerie Plame

Has your property been seized and children taken from you?

A. No other than taxes.

Has your ability to travel around the country or overseas been stopped?

A. No but I do understand they have had some passport issues.

Do you have to show papers to travel from city to city?

A. I keep my papers in the glove compartment, out of sight.

How many journalists did Bush have silenced by execution?

A. Tim Russert
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You are simply a fuching idiot!

Bush killed Tim Russert?

WOW!

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Funny you mention taxes.....gues who is going to raise taxes so high, that many of us will lose the little bit that we have?

Get a fuching clue in life.
Who in the fuch did you blame before Bush came along?
How in the hell did you survive your pathetic excuse of a life?



“…man is not free unless government is limited. There's a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts.”

..This is the 3rd ruling on the issue. The first 2 went against the Admin and they failed to comply with the 1st two rulings necessitating the 3rd. Cheney stated that goal of the admin at the beginning was to increse the power of the presidency (ostensibly by lowering the power of the other two branches). Hence-- my dictator comment. Actually, that comment was not the point of the post, which I am sure you are well aware but tried to ignore. They appealed the decision which is perfectly acceptable AND LEGAL


Also, Bush asked for and got the COngress to convey its Constitiutional responsibility to declare war in Iraq, something I find unconstitutional. Hitler had other governmental braches "offer up" power to him as well.

Bush as President, ALWAYS has the ability to commit the armed forces to combat WITHOUT the permission of the Congress. Congress has had ample opportunity to shut the operation down and has not done so, even after promises by the Dems before the 2006 election.

How many journalists did Bush have silenced by execution?

A. Tim Russert Yeah right.


How many times did the Army show up in Congress to eradicate those who dissented or to re-educate them?

A. Don't know How about ZERO.

Have agents shown up at your house because you have spoken out against the administration?

A. Ask Valerie Plame Really? Agents showed up and took her to a re-education camp? I wasn't aware the Vanity Fair offices were that bad. Yeah, she has really had it tough with the photo shoot and book deals.

Has your property been seized and children taken from you?

A. No other than taxes. Gee, what a surprise.

Has your ability to travel around the country or overseas been stopped?

A. No but I do understand they have had some passport issues.

With the million upon million of travelers to and from out country, what a surprise there might be a passport issue of two. Get serious.

Do you have to show papers to travel from city to city?

A. I keep my papers in the glove compartment, out of sight.

Again, your shrill nonsense only takes away from the real atrocities REAL dictators are commiting in this world. Its hard to take anything the left says seriously because instead of rational discussion it always seems to degenerate into the name calling and ridiculous acqusations.




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...are an idiot. Apparently, you and Murf think that I truly believe that Bush killed Tim Russert. LMAO.

Wow. As in wow.

Actually, SF2 this was the third Supreme Court ruling on the issue. Even you knew that they combatants had to have SOME rights and recourse. The Supreme Court makes their third ruling on the unconstitutionality of the holding at Gitmo and the right says:

Obama will follow the rule of law established by the Supreme Court--- how appalling. This guy loves terrorists and you (whitey--non-Muslums) should be afraid of this guy. Apparently they think the President should ignore the Supreme Court holdings-- (dictator anyone????).

Then, they apparently blame Obama for the Court ruling that was decided by Republican appointees. You just can't stop em. They apparently are either really dumb or their audience consists mainly of Murfs ie. they think their audience is that dumb. Amazing.

LOL at Murf and SF2 not catching the OBVIOUS Russert sarcasm.

Jesus, even I caught it...

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

According to the Geneva convention, they were being treated in accordance to the capture of enemy combatants in a war zone. As long as we still consider Afghanistan a war zone then we have the right to hold them without allowing them any due process. Sorry if that upsets you Taliban supporters.

The question is whether or not the war is over. If it is then they do have the right to be repatriated if they are deemed to no longer be a threat.

Furthermore, this is much different than any war we have fought in the past. There may be no end in sight due to the nature of the conflict.

The Supreme Court created new rights for non US citizens plain and simple.



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January 6,1991: The last post season victory for the Bengals.

"According to the Geneva convention, they were being treated in accordance to the capture of enemy combatants in a war zone. As long as we still consider Afghanistan a war zone then we have the right to hold them without allowing them any due process. Sorry if that upsets you Taliban supporters."

The real question is what we do with them on our soil. Then you have to ask whether the Constitution provides protection. Time after time, decade after decade, century after century the Supreme Court has offered protections to non-citizens. Don't try and act like this is some sort of crazy judicial activism that no one has seen before. That is a bunch of B.S.

Did any of you conservatives actually think the Supremes wouldn't provide a due process route after Bush and Co. were told twice before to allow the EC's a chance to prove their innocence? Are you really that fukked in the head to think the military doesn't ever fukk up? They are people. People aren't perfect. our military is made up of people. Our military is not infallable (oh, god, bronco said it...time to rub my lapel pin and call Bronco a jihadist sympathizer...LOL)

Anyone with a cursory knowledge of the Constitution saw this one coming a mile away (even with Repub stacked appointees). The precedent set if the court would not have intervened would have allowed the military to hold some of those fukkers in gitmo in perpetuity for a crime committed not on American soil. Can you imagine if other countries did that to our boys? LOL

Again, the point needs to be made. The sky is not falling. None of those guys are getting out in the next year because of this ruling. All the ruling does is provide a road map that the military or at least the execuitve office should have considered when it began boarding these azzholes in Cuba.

Wake up and smell the hemp on the Constiution. Read some Supreme Court precedent. Protections are extended to non-citizens.

...should the next President abide by the 3 Supreme Court rulings in the event Bin Laden is captured and try him or should they say fugg the Supreme Court and hold him indefinitely without being charged???

See, its Obama's fault if they let him go to trial because:

A) Obama is a terrorist (His middle name is Hussein),

B) He wrote the Supreme Court opinion, or

C) He didn't stand up to the Supreme Court?

Which answer does Rush/Murf/SF2 choose??

I know its a trick question cause all the answers are soooo good.

Why doesn't the "liberal media" question McCain as to whether he will abide by rulings of the Supreme Court or whether he will "go it alone" like W. likes to do?

Congress laid out rules for enemy combatants and the SC substituted their judgment for that of the military and congress. I will not adress their constitutional authority to do at at this point.

The military is trained to kill, take strategic positions, and keep peace. NOT investigate crimes like local police. Against the judgement of the military and congress, the SC thinks the jusdicial branch is best suited to administer justice under U.S. procedure and evidentary rulings for things that happen in the heat of war.

I can just see it now. Imagine the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan.

"Don't shoot yet...confirm the idnetity of the soldiers. Was he shooting or running. Did you see that beyond a reasonable doubt. Oh wait where is my foot, where is my platoon. Oh well, must gather evidence for trial.

The simple fact is that under this standard dangerous enemies will get back out sooner and kill U.S. soldiers.

Remember that old legal adage that is better to let ten guilty men go free than convict one innocent one? Let me change it a bit. It is better to keep 1000 non-American alleged enemy combatants locked up indefinately than let one U.S. soldier by killed by an insurgent set free.

There are 10 types of people in this world, those who undertsand binary, and those who do not.

"The military is trained to kill, take strategic positions, and keep peace."~Draw


...So why are our soldiers forced into policing a Civil War, which they were not trianed to do? I don't think that's what they signed up for.

...don't ya know we aren't policing a civil war, we are fightin terra???? I heard Rush talk all about it. Let Murf fill ya in on that one. Dick Cheney has long told us that AlQueda and Iraq were tied at the hip. LMAO. Those people can't really be that dumb, can they??

It is part of their peacekeeping duties.

Boy have we gone soft. It is not what they signed up for? War is hell. They do what they have to do, most of them proudly and for our benefit.

And it wasn't just Dick Cheney and it wasn't just for that. Engalnd, germany, and Australia belived that as well. Keep in mind, Saddam did not as required account for large amounts of nerve gas and other chemical weapons. He continually shot at our planes enforcing the no-fly zone as per the Kuwait war surrender conditions. Saddam continually engaged in acts of war against the U.S. and we sat back while UN passes resolution after worthless resolution.

Saddam sat in his palace while his people starved.

You cannot be the world's lone military super power and allow Saddam to constantly provoke you and hide behind its mommy, the UN. Sooner or later, even if you are the bigger kid, you just have to show the world who is still the boss. Get that Kim Jong Ill?

There are 10 types of people in this world, those who undertsand binary, and those who do not.

"You cannot be the world's lone military super power and allow Saddam to constantly provoke you and hide behind its mommy, the UN."~~~Draw


Why not?

"The military is trained to kill"~Draw

"It is part of their peacekeeping duties.~Draw

...So uhhh police officers are trained to kill? Which one is it? LOL

If Saddam was such a threat to us explain why Bush didn't run on this theme in 2000, after saying he didn't believe in Nation building and North Korea is a bigger threat?

Your not upset he didn't go after those responsible for 9/11 and did a "CUT and RUN' from Afghanistan? This war is a pointless Hell.

"the world's lone military super power..."

Apparently you've never heard of China.

"Get a clue jack azz! Stop reading your history books" - quote from "Murf's Guide to Survivin' in Da Hood"

"You cannot be the world's lone military super power and allow Saddam to constantly provoke you and hide behind its mommy, the UN"

The UN is Iraq's mommy? LOL.

Uh, we created the UN and have a permanent veto vote. Iraq? Neither. And by the way, Britain created Iraq, and also created the UN and has a permanent veto vote.

But you're right, Saddam was the puppetmaster deftly jerking his puppets at the UN around, making them do his bidding, such as sanctioning himself so he could better play the victim card and make the US look bad. The guy was clearly an international relations genius! Except he's dead now.

..."Sooner or later, even if you are the bigger kid, you just have to show the world who is still the boss."

Yeah, lets show em whose boss, no matter if we have to stay there forever and we go bankrupt. The Dick thought that was good foreign policy and advocated that upon becomming VP. The Dick thought if we showed the world who is boss that we would reap all kinds of benefits. He was wrong. Roman Empire anyone?? Gee thats good strategy. We need to continue to show the world whose boss no matter what it costs us!! Ok Ricky Redneck Rambo, we are all for that.

"You cannot be the world's lone military super power and allow Saddam to constantly provoke you and hide behind its mommy, the UN."~~~Draw


Why not?

I would have thought it would be obvious, but sooner or later some country (NK) will take a shot a what appears to be a paper tiger.

The military is trained to kill"~Draw

"It is part of their peacekeeping duties.~Draw

...So uhhh police officers are trained to kill? Which one is it? LOL

Both, I guess that is hard for you to understand. They are to kill the bad guys and help the Iraqi citizens. That is what they signed for, that is what they trained for.


If Saddam was such a threat to us explain why Bush didn't run on this theme in 2000, after saying he didn't believe in Nation building and North Korea is a bigger threat?

He listened to all of the liberal whiners that said we should follow the League of Nat...I mean UN's course of action.


Your not upset he didn't go after those responsible for 9/11 and did a "CUT and RUN' from Afghanistan? This war is a pointless Hell.

I really wish we have would commtitted more troops to this effort. Mistakes were made in some areas.

"the world's lone military super power..."

Apparently you've never heard of China.

I have, and they are nowhere close to miltary power the U.S. is. They have in excess of billion people and not near the navy, air force, or advanced weapons of the U.S. There are 10 types of people in this world, those who undertsand binary, and those who do not.

"He listened to all of the liberal whiners that said we should follow the League of Nat...I mean UN's course of action."

Does anyone from the right ever concede responsibility for anything? LOL

Just once, I would like this administration to say we fukked up. I suppose I will have to keep waiting...

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

The real question is what we do with them on our soil. Then you have to ask whether the Constitution provides protection. Time after time, decade after decade, century after century the Supreme Court has offered protections to non-citizens. Don't try and act like this is some sort of crazy judicial activism that no one has seen before. That is a bunch of B.S.

There is a difference between non citizens and enemy combatants. Enemy combatants are covered under the Geneva convention and our LAWS DO NOT APPLY.

Did any of you conservatives actually think the Supremes wouldn't provide a due process route after Bush and Co. were told twice before to allow the EC's a chance to prove their innocence? Are you really that fukked in the head to think the military doesn't ever fukk up? They are people. People aren't perfect. our military is made up of people. Our military is not infallable (oh, god, bronco said it...time to rub my lapel pin and call Bronco a jihadist sympathizer...LOL)

War is chaos. Innocents die. Innocents are accused and pushished. Life is a bitch.

Anyone with a cursory knowledge of the Constitution saw this one coming a mile away (even with Repub stacked appointees). The precedent set if the court would not have intervened would have allowed the military to hold some of those fukkers in gitmo in perpetuity for a crime committed not on American soil. Can you imagine if other countries did that to our boys? LOL

Most countries our boys have been prisoner in don't even follow the Geneva convention. Far worse is done to our boys. Where have you been?

Again, the point needs to be made. The sky is not falling. None of those guys are getting out in the next year because of this ruling. All the ruling does is provide a road map that the military or at least the execuitve office should have considered when it began boarding these azzholes in Cuba.

Wake up and smell the hemp on the Constiution. Read some Supreme Court precedent. Protections are extended to non-citizens.

Here is the list of US based prisoner of war camps during WWII. This is nothing new. These prisoners were afforded no rights under the Constitution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_POW_camps_in_the_United_States

Furthermore, enemy combatants are afforded NO RIGHTS under the US Constitution. They are strictly under Geneva Conventions. The Geneva conventions were SPECIFICALLY created to PREVENT foreign powers from applying their laws to enemy combatants. Why is this a difficult concept to understand?

It shouldn't be a difficult thing to understand. Whether you want to reccognize it or not, an enemy combatant is technically a non-citizen.

What is an interesting topic to consider is why we chose Gitmo. I personally think much of this controversy would not have happened if we kept these yahoos in Iraq or even in that continent. However, the problem became more real and personal when folks thought of them as being on American soil.

My point doesn't change and I dont think any of them will get out, but as the beacon for democracy and human rights that we hold ourselves out to be, this is the right thing to do, even if it is a paper monumment.

I thought you were better than the old "they do it to us, so let's do it to them" argument. Guess I was wrong. I digress...



"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Just for you info, I think Bush and Co. completely screwed the pooch on this. The anti Bush crowd did an excellent job of painting some of these guys as innocent bystanders and painting the administration as heartless cruel bastards.

Bush did nothing to address these concerns and public perception turned against him.

If they would have released the names of these men, informed the public of their exact crimes and created a way for the men to address these charges in a reasonable amount of time then the Supremes probably would have never been forced to make a ruling.

In the end the SC chose the humane route over true Constitutional rights. I don't like the precedent but I really don't like the idea that a person can be held indefinitely without some method of recourse.

Again, we are on new ground, fighting a different kind of "WAR" or whatever it is at this point.

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"Sorry but the bogus childish Bush is a dictator nonsense only works on College Campuses and San Francisco coffee shops."


Nope. That doesn't even go on in San Francisco Coffee Shops either. Those hippies there can't even afford that cup of Peet's. However, go outside--usually in the fog or rain, and those dipsh*ts are out there demonstrating. In the Financial District (where I usually am when I go to SF--usually hanging out on Market St. watching the skirts walk by at lunchtime), the "normal" people just walk by as if they don't give a sh*t. In Sacramento (where it's mostly conservative), we laugh and giggle at these la-la's down in SF and Berkeley where BA and his buddies live in trees.

Yo BA, if you live in a tree on UC-Berkeley's campus, tell me--where it is that you take a sh*t. LMAO.

BTW, has the construction crews came by and cut down your place of residence to put up a new building on campus yet? I'll bet you're really bummed out about that.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

"Apparently you've never heard of China."


Yes, we have. They're (China) not there yet. They are still trying to steal our secrets such as weapontry, technology, and hydrolics. I have a friend that works for a major company in the Northern California Region (dealing with the dams and energy). Do you know how many calls, bogus emails, and hacker attempts they get a day from good ole' "CN"? It ranks in the thousands, possibly millions.

Sure, they have shear numbers--but there's no way in hell that one on one, China can take us on. NO WAY. We would absolutely murder them in the sky and in the Sea (literally). We would have air superiority in the 1st week. Since most of their population is on the Eastern Seaboard (meaning it would easy to annihilate them by utilizing our nuclear subs and the rest of the Navy), they would be screwed. North Korea would definitely jump into the action on China's side, but without UN Interaction (to fack us yet again, thanks SKY BLUE HELMET AZZHOLES), they would be screwed too. So would anyone else that would attempt to help China out in Asia (think Southeast Asia).

IMO, You're reading the wrong books, BA.

Signed,

Matt Damon





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence

China realized about 15 years ago that a military conflict with the US would be a foolish endeavor because even if they won, they would lose.

Instead they figured out that buy not floating their currency and building up a massive trade deficit with the US they could accomplish their long term goals without firing a single shot.

Basically, the massive inflow of capital into China is allowing them to quickly modernize their country in terms of infrastructure. The Chinese are building new NUKE plants at an incredible rate (buy uranium stocks), moving to clean coal tech and are making huge investments in Africa, Australia and the Asian peninsula in order to shore up natural resources, particularly oil.

The next logical step will be more "intervention" into unstable oil rich African nations. This is probably a few years off as they wait for a new administration in the US, the continued weakness of the US dollar and deficit spending increases. At this point we will be running our country on even more borrowed money by China (buying US treasuries) and the Arab States. We will be in no position to intervene since China can drop an economic Hydrogen Bomb on us by tossing 1/2 trillion treasuries onto the open market which would destroy our ability to finance our bloated government at anything close to a reasonable interest rate.

Sure, this would hurt China on the trade front and some of their people would suffer as well but they are STILL a Communist run country and the suffering of some of their peasants is of little concern to their leaders. Better than getting half your country blown up.

Meanwhile, eco friendly countries like France continue to build those evil nukes and Norway somehow figures out how to drill for oil without destroying their shoreline. Meanwhile, we do ZERO.

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LOL at Murf and SF2 not catching the OBVIOUS Russert sarcasm.

Jesus, even I caught it...
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I did not take him serious, just think it was a pathetic attempt at humor.

He is the typical liberal idiot.
Blame Bush for everything, no matter how far fetched that notion might be, he will scream for Bush to get the blame.

I don't know if he will survive when Bush leaves office.
Who in the hell is he going to blame for the worlds problems?
How can he wake up each day and fill the void of pure hate?




“…man is not free unless government is limited. There's a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts.”

I hate to break this to ya buddy, but we didnt have a lot of the same problems 9 years ago.

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

The dependency on foreign oil has been around much longer than 9 years and well before Clinton and Bush 41.

We have known that the increase in global demand was catching up with current peak global production capability for 15 years, yet we did nothing.

While Brazil, who had NO DOMESTIC oil 30 years ago, made it the number one priority 30 years ago, the arrogant American leaders forgot about our brush with a second depression and went on to the next "Talking Points" their party was working at the time.

Brazil turns massive areas of swamp into sugar cane fields and begins exploring and drilling while we debate midnight basketball, building expensive high tech fighter jets, and denying any type of new sources of power due to environmental concerns to include not building wind farms near rich people's islands and in Texas.

30 years later, Brazil is COMPLETELY energy independent and a net EXPORTER OF OIL.

We are so fudking stupid.

BTW, we have so much coal that can be converted into oil it is ridiculous. They do it in South Africa but not here.

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"How can he wake up each day and fill the void of pure hate?"~Murf W. Bush

...Typical Hippie response. PEACE MAN. Make Love, Not War. Make Levees, Not War.

It's a hip diversionary tactic now to criticize people for criticizing Bush. It's interesting that there is very little animosity displayed towards McCain, who appears to be an pretty intelligent, classy guy. Bush's critics were dead-on and now the sheep are paying for electing an ignorant oaf to the presidency. How could Obama possibly be worse, I ask? Oh that's right -- he wants to hug the terrorists.

"Get a clue jack azz! Stop reading your history books" - quote from "Murf's Guide to Survivin' in Da Hood"

Isn't the issue:
Can "the administration" call "you" a terrorist and hold you indefinitely without recourse?

Got a letter from Laura with a birthday card for W (62 on 7/6). I was invited to write a personal message on the card and send it back with (of course) a donation to the RNC. Really wanted to write a personal note to W - but.... that could put me on "the list"??

...."I did not take him serious, just think it was a pathetic attempt at humor.

He is the typical liberal idiot.
Blame Bush for everything, no matter how far fetched that notion might be, he will scream for Bush to get the blame."

Right out of the Rush handbook, calling someone a "liberal idiot." All rhetoric, no reality.

Murf

I have voted for one democrat for President in my life--and that was a vote against W.

Why?

The list is too long to mention, I would rather ask, why didn't you?

From taking budget surpluses forecasted for the indefinate futre to a huge budget deficit, from entering a war without recognizing the obvious quagmire that his own VP noted as a valid reason not to go to Iraq just a few years before, to well, I am even tired of saying it. The dude is a total fugg up. Royal.

You blame the spending on democrats when the opposite is true. Take all the "gov't programs" "welfare" and everything else you bitch about out of the budget and it is a fraction of our monetary problems, a pittance. The military costs and budget and long term effect of Iraq is KILLING us, literally and figuratively. HOw do you not see that---oh thats right, you buy the "we are fighting terrorists" bs.

Dacow, I know you're already killing Murf with facts and don't need any help, but here's one more that is indisputable and probably doesn't get broadcast on FOX NON NEWS. It comes from the latest US BUDGET TABLES...an easy google search.

The simple increase in the Treasury Department over the last four years is over $112 Billion. The staff hasn't grown. This increase is competely attributable to the increased interest on the debt we owe just over the last four years.

The tables didn't go back to eight years, but since we had a budget surplus then, this fiscal obscenity would be even more outrageous if it was posted.

The total Treasury budget (i.e. interest obligation or graft to China) is now nearly $500 Billion. But let's just consider the increase over the last four years:

The increase itself is higher than the budgets of 21 of the other 23 agencies funded by the Federal Government. These include such agencies as the Departments of Housing and Urban Development, Department of Labor, EPA, Agriculture, Energy, Education, and, quite amazingly, this increase is just about double the 2007 Homeland Security budget.

That laughter you hear comes from China, Iran and Osama.

We don't have a choice about paying the interest. We do have a choice to stop wasting money on sleazy contrived threats in Iraq and focussing some of that treasure on the War on Terror, Homeland Security and comprehensive Energy Development.

Who wants to bet that McCain flip flops on ANWAR lioke he did on off shore drilling.

For the record, I am now 100% for drillig in ANWAR. I just think its hilarious how McCain is flipping his flops like every other politician.

"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

Bronco, I don't have a problem with someone changing their minds in the face of different circumstances. Would you rather he be stubborn and stick to his guns? He would get flack again.

I have a problem with it if the first time around he was against it due to environmental concerns and now he changes his tune due to gas prices.



"The American Cancer Society says uninsured patients are 60 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis."

I saw something in the news the other day that frankly surprises me if it's true: That oil for that section of Alaska is extemely high in sulfur, and therefore requires extremely sophisticated refining.

Has anyone else been informed of that?

...The simple increase in the Treasury Department over the last four years is over $112 Billion. The staff hasn't grown. This increase is competely attributable to the increased interest on the debt we owe just over the last four years.

The tables didn't go back to eight years, but since we had a budget surplus then, this fiscal obscenity would be even more outrageous if it was posted.

The total Treasury budget (i.e. interest obligation or graft to China) is now nearly $500 Billion. But let's just consider the increase over the last four years:

The increase itself is higher than the budgets of 21 of the other 23 agencies funded by the Federal Government. These include such agencies as the Departments of Housing and Urban Development, Department of Labor, EPA, Agriculture, Energy, Education, and, quite amazingly, this increase is just about double the 2007 Homeland Security budget."

I thought it was all the democrat giveaway programs that cost so much, like Dingbat and Reid support. Murf.....

Righto Murfy, pay no attention to that war cost cause its all in the name of "fightin terra."

High Sulphur oil is called sour crude. There is a lot of it in the Gulf that has never been drilled for because you are right, it takes a different type of refinery to process it and costs more to refine.

With oil at 135 it is now VERY cost effective to refine this stuff BUT we need the refineries to do it.

There are only a few of them out there (sour crude) and any new one proposed gets the environazi axe.

Easy to fix problem.

BTW, the budget was not balanced under Clinton. The surplus existed only if you add FICA surpluses that are supposed to be saved for future generations of retirees. Instead, we plunder it every year and fill the Social Security "lock box" with IOUs.

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